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Szamboti's Missing Jolt paper

WildCat said:
TV news has what, 10 minutes (probably less) of air time a day devoted to local news? I doubt "let's see what all that welding is going on at Citicorp" was on the A-list.
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So you agree that people did not know what was going on in the Citicorp building and that what was actually being done was kept secret.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
So you agree that people did not know what was going on in the Citicorp building and that what was actually being done was kept secret.
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Tony Szamboti said:
So you agree that people did not know what was going on in the Citicorp building and that what was actually being done was kept secret.
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This ties into your jolt paper how? Oh yes, it is not related so it proves 911 was an inside job because the secret stuff. So where is the Pulitzer for the Citicorp secret? For the Jolt junk?

When will you take the biggest crime (in your mind and few fringe CTers) to the real news outlets? Any time table for breaking this story?

So the terrorists did it on purpose?
...simply refuse to believe that the collapses could have been caused intentionally...
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Only a few fringe delusion believers jump without evidence to say the WTC was caused intentionally and not related to the impact of Jets 7 to 11 times greater than the design by Robertson who thinks your ideas are ridiculous as do 99.999 percent of all engineers. The only engineers you can get to sign off on your delusions share some form of politically biased have to make up lies about 911 syndrome. Who did 911 again? Got some proof? Oh, it will take 20 years to expose; see in 12 years... bye
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
You are leaving out the part where I said I believe the column strength was mostly removed or rendered ineffective for the nine stories we were able to measure, so there would not be a jolt. Your logic doesn't work here.

The paper is coming along. Since I brought it up several individuals have measured the tilt vs. drop timing and there is essentially no tilt until after the upper section has dropped vertically about two stories. You are going to need a new excuse to maintain your irreducible delusion unless you come to your senses.
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What's your excuse for ignoring WTC2. Do you think no one notices. The initial tilt there was undisputably pronounced. Top columns clearly fell atop bottom slabs, no jolt there.

WTC1. If the core was CD'd the perimeter columns would have been pulled in towards the core; instead the perimeter columns topple outwards up to 600 feet proving your hypothesis false.

What else you got.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
So you agree that people did not know what was going on in the Citicorp building and that what was actually being done was kept secret.
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You mean other than the people who read the Wall Street Journal piece, the Citicorp employees, the city officials, the contractors, the American Red Cross, and the engineers? Yeah, nobody knew.

Oh - and we can't forget the Daily News article, for those who aren't fans of the WSJ.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
So you agree that people did not know what was going on in the Citicorp building and that what was actually being done was kept secret.
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It's this kind of reading comprehension that makes you so susceptible to being a truther.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
I don't see how you can call yourself an engineer if you think this example has any bearing on the issue.
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Tony, if you were an engineer in my employ, I would fire you the instant I discovered you were a truther.

It's not a personal thing, nor would it be an attempt on my part to enforce my politics on my employees. But as a hypothetical owner of a hypothetical design firm, I would have a moral, ethical and legal obligation to protect my firms clients from buildings designed by incompetent engineers who don't think fire can bring steel-framed buildings down.

We can't have your ignorance and incompetence killing innocent people.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
You are going to score many debating points with comments like this.
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Please, do describe the mental gymnastics required for you to conclude that I "agree that people did not know what was going on in the Citicorp building".

No doubt it's the same kind of "logic" that leads to your conclusions of the WTC collapses. No wonder you have been unable to get your paper published in a real engineering journal, and instead had to do it in a pretend journal "peer reviewed" by other truthers.
 
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WildCat said:
Please, do describe the mental gymnastics required for you to conclude that I "agree that people did not know what was going on in the Citicorp building".

No doubt it's the same kind of "logic" that leads to your conclusions of the WTC collapses. No wonder you have been unable to get your paper published in a real engineering journal, and instead had to do it in a pretend journal "peer reviewed" by other truthers.
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Not that I really want to get involved in this type of discussion and I will not continue it, but you did say I doubt "let's see what all that welding is going on at Citicorp" was on the A-list. That implies that they did not know what was going on.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
You are going to score many debating points with comments like this.
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You debate your delusions, you have no evidence just delusions. How many points do you get for defending a delusional scenario based on extreme political bias while ignoring all science?
 
beachnut said:
You debate your delusions, you have no evidence just delusions. How many points do you get for defending a delusional scenario based on extreme political bias while ignoring all science?
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If it were insiders who placed and detonated the charges in the buildings, one may wonder who would
want people in Afghanistan and Iraq to be blamed if they didn’t do it. It seems that a good hard look at the
soon to be built U.S. oil company controlled gas and oil pipeline through Afghanistan to the Caspian area,
and the privatization of Iraq’s oilfields to U.S. oil companies, might be a start at solving that puzzle for
oneself. -Tony Szamboti


Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti View Post
You are leaving out the part where I said I believe the column strength was mostly removed or rendered ineffective for the nine stories we were able to measure, so there would not be a jolt. Your logic doesn't work here.

The paper is coming along. Since I brought it up several individuals have measured the tilt vs. drop timing and there is essentially no tilt until after the upper section has dropped vertically about two stories. You are going to need a new excuse to maintain your irreducible delusion unless you come to your senses.
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What's your excuse for ignoring WTC2. Do you think no one notices. The initial tilt there was undisputably pronounced. Top columns clearly fell atop bottom slabs, no jolt there.

WTC1. If the core was CD'd the perimeter columns would have been pulled in towards the core; instead the perimeter columns topple outwards up to 600 feet proving your hypothesis false.

What else you got.
 
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Umm. No. If you look at a collision where momentum transfer occurs, the moving object will decrease in velocity. Unfortunately for Mr. Szamboti, his entire idea is based upon a really bad assumption: that the upper and lower blocks are both rigid bodies and free-to-move. Momentum transfer between the upper and lower block does not occur as the lower block is not free to move: it's attached to the Earth.

More importantly, if one considers that the upper and lower block will both behave as springs, the "jolt" that Mr. Szamboti is looking for at the roof-line can never occur. The force exerted from the lower block to the upper block will cause the a "jolt" in the bottom most portion of the upper block, this is true. However this jolt is going to be damped out at the roof-line as the columns in the upper block compress. It will behave quite similarly to shock absorbers on a car.

His entire thesis is based on assumptions that does not reflect reality. Though the assumption is wrong, his understanding of physics and engineering AFTER said assumptions are made is mostly correct.
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I think calculations will show that the upper section was sufficiently rigid to transmit a high percentage of the jolt to the roof-line.
 
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You seem to want to draw an analogy between the fitting of 200 pieces of steel over the bolted together chevrons in the Citibank Tower and the idea that the WTC towers could have been wired for explosives. Leaving aside the actual wiring part, at Citibank we know that the building management knew exactly what was going on. They issued a press release as the work would have been and was obvious to people passing by the building. The "secret" was the seriousness of the situation, not the existence of the work. Furthermore not that many floors were involved and many of them were unoccupied at the time (new building, not full). This is really a bad analogy to use as an argument for secretly wiring the WTC towers or even one of them. All they needed to do was to bring up 200 steel plates and weld them to the chevrons buttressing the structure. Not even close, stick to the "jolt".
 
Tony Szamboti said:
Not that I really want to get involved in this type of discussion and I will not continue it, but you did say I doubt "let's see what all that welding is going on at Citicorp" was on the A-list. That implies that they did not know what was going on.
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It implies no such thing. It only implies it wasn't widely reported, not that it was unknown.

When will you be submitting your s00per-sciency paper to an actual engineerng journal Tony?
 
BasqueArch said:
WTC1. If the core was CD'd the perimeter columns would have been pulled in towards the core; instead the perimeter columns topple outwards up to 600 feet proving your hypothesis false.
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The perimeter columns were pulled inward at collapse initiation.

If you cut the perimeter corners the perimeters will be thrown outward as the core collapses and causes the floors to drop and smash off their connections to the perimeters.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
The perimeter columns were pulled inward at collapse initiation.

If you cut the perimeter corners the perimeters will be thrown outward as the core collapses and causes the floors to drop and smash off their connections to the perimeters.
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Wasn't the inward bowing prior to initiation?
 
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