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Syrian Chemical attack was a False Flag

marplots said:
I think it's a mighty fine link, properly formatted and correctly coded. Easy to click too. I give it an 8 out of 10.
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Thank you :D

What about the website it links to? Good html coding? Nice choice of colors?
 
Abooga said:
Thank you :D

What about the website it links to? Good html coding? Nice choice of colors?
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Not too good. The article starts with this sentence:
"While there is no proof yet either way, there are good reasons to at least consider the prospect that the sarin gas attack on civilians in Syria this week could have been a “false flag” operation." (My highlights)

Three "waffles" in the opening sentence? Way, way too speculative. If the author can't even convince themselves of the merits of their case, I'm going to give the rest a pass. I'd ask them to get back to me with something a bit more substantive.
 
Abooga said:
As someone put it, "the notion that Assad would do the anti-Assad forces the huge favor of committing PR-seppuku by actually carrying out gas attacks against the civilian population is so ridiculous as to be almost beyond imagination"

What do you skeptics think of this link?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/was-chemical-attack-in-syria-a-false-flag-to-trigger-u-s-war/5584863
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I think this ignores the history of people like Assad doing the exact same thing, and not actually ending up "committing PR-seppuku". Saddam Hussein pulled the same stunt multiple times, and continued to rule Iraq for many years after.
 
Horatius said:
I think this ignores the history of people like Assad doing the exact same thing, and not actually ending up "committing PR-seppuku". Saddam Hussein pulled the same stunt multiple times, and continued to rule Iraq for many years after.
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According to the article, the "history" would point to the "rebels" and even to Obama himself to be behind a false flag operation...
 
Abooga said:
As someone put it, "the notion that Assad would do the anti-Assad forces the huge favor of committing PR-seppuku by actually carrying out gas attacks against the civilian population is so ridiculous as to be almost beyond imagination"

What do you skeptics think of this link?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/was-chemical-attack-in-syria-a-false-flag-to-trigger-u-s-war/5584863
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That globalresearch.ca is well known to be a place where everyone can post the most farfetched CTs.

Yesterday the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs has posted a document explaining why they are convinced Assad is the culprit: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/26...sarin-used-in-chemical-attacks-france-claims/
 
Abooga said:
According to the article, the "history" would point to the "rebels" and even to Obama himself to be behind a false flag operation...
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But in that case, then we have double-secret "committing PR-seppuku", in that, if caught, not only did RebelObama use chemical weapons, he also lied about it, and implicated an innocent party as part of his false flag cover-up.

If "committing PR-seppuku" is sufficient reason to doubt Assad's guilt, then it must be doubly sufficient reason to doubt the guilt of any "false flag" attackers you might name.

Which is why we ask for actual evidence, rather than conjecture and innuendo.
 
Degeneve said:
That globalresearch.ca is well known to be a place where everyone can post the most farfetched CTs.

Yesterday the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs has posted a document explaining why they are convinced Assad is the culprit: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/26...sarin-used-in-chemical-attacks-france-claims/
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I didn´t know that website before, but before dismissing it out of hand, notice that they link to Reuters, which is not a CT troll site, as far as I know. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505
According to the French report, the sarin gas is identified as being Assad´s because it´s the same as in the 2013 attacks. But according to the investigation reported by Reuters, the 2013 attacks were more likely have been made by rebels, so...
 
Abooga said:
I didn´t know that website before, but before dismissing it out of hand, notice that they link to Reuters, which is not a CT troll site, as far as I know. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505
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While globalsearch.ca may from time to time link to Reuters, as will do any CT website, Reuters never links to globalsearch.ca

Abooga said:
According to the French report, the sarin gas is identified as being Assad´s because it´s the same as in the 2013 attacks. But according to the investigation reported by Reuters, the 2013 attacks were more likely have been made by rebels, so...
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The attribution of the August 2013 Attack to the rebel is still contoversial. Not everybody shares the view the the rockets were used by the rebels.
 
For the knuckleheads who are in a position of thinking "well my lady and her mom and the kids laugh at me for staring at the hypnotype but at least the freaks I allow to broadcat into my living room every day support the government" I recommend half an hour of radio with people who do have a clue. Maybe after that you can say "yes I let my "intellectual" brain buy junk, amazing that you spotted the lie, 7 year old daughter".

Really, what kind of nonsense.
 
Has there been any investigative updates besides the French report since the attack? That the sarin gas released matches that Assad regime weapons doesn't move me too much, since the ex-military members of the rebels would obviously be using stolen stockpiles and not creating new sarin on their own.

It is not that I lean more to the CT version, but I still remain skeptical on this attack for some reason. News reports that referenced spotters that saw the incoming regime aircraft and noted their flight patterns made them assume they were intending to use chemical weapons was another part that baffles me.

I haven't really been able to find any information on how the flight patterns would indicate such an attack. Anyone else with better google-fu see any information or accounts that would indicate the ability to judge flight patterns and link them to chemical attacks? Maybe the article I read simply had a journalist embellishing/lying to increase the likelihood. If that is the case those methods by that journalist should be condemned since it adds to doubt.
 
One very basic thing to check is the actual video evidence the people on the ground load up. But who wants to look at that? I myself try to avoid it as well. Yet there are experts, neuropharmacologists who come up with reports like this (he did similar analysis on the Ghouta 2013 incident). Very simple: Exposed to Sarin you will loose any control over your bodily fluids, and yet there are whiteys seen as if mom told them to prepare to be seen on international youtube at noon, and nothing to the contrary. I have yet to see anybody challenge the author, including the likes of Bellingcat who he openly mocks.
 
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cmikes said:
My favorite truther conspiracy so far isn't the false flag (that's just so passè), but that Putin allowed Trump to bomb Assad to make it seem that Trump isn't a Russian agent. Supposedly Putin ordered Assad to use chemical weapons just so that Trump could bomb Syria to "prove" that Trump wasn't a Russian agent.

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I certainly think she is correct as he should be in jail preferably old style southern chain gang. And always his turn in the barrel!!!!!
 
Oystein said:
The term "False Flag" cannot be applied here in its strict sense as we haven't actually seen a "flag", let alone a "false" one, in this attack.
I am of course not literally talking of flags; just that the nature of a false flag is that the attacker in one way or another "dresses up" as some other acting party in an effort to consciously mislead the public or the victim.

So far, what we have is some evidence of a release of Sarin gas which killed and injured a number of people in a certain location, and we have evidence that Syrian air force fighters flew near or over that location at or about the same time.

I can think of several possible theories that would be consistent with that evidence (and perhaps some of you know of more evidence that would rule out one or the other theory - let's hear it then):
  1. Syrian air force intentionally threw Sarin ammunition
  2. Syrian air force threw conventional bombs, which accidentally hit Sarin ammunition on the ground
  3. Syrian air force threw conventional bombs, rebel (or other) forces on the ground then released Sarin gas to make it appear as if the Syrians did it (that would then be a "false flag" incident)
  4. Syrian air force threw nothing, forces on the ground released Sarin just so, and it may be coincidence that SAF flew above, or a false flag.
  5. Syrian air force did nothing or threw conventional bombs, while a third party (IS? Kurds? Russia? Turkey? Iran? USA? The Vatican?) fired Sarin ammunition on location. Again, this could either be a deliberate or a chance coincidence with the Syrian overflight.
Apparently, all member of the UN Security Council are now in favour of a UN-sponsored investigation, but they can't agree on each other's Resolution. Seems like somebody has something to hide.
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Oystein said:
All warfare is terrorism: the aim is not to kill all enemies, bit to subdue them through fear and terror, to make them yield to your will.

Chemical weapons used like this may not be greatly effective at raising the fatality count, but they are frightning. A population made dull and indifferent to killing agents that go "bang" may experience a new, higher level of fear if you change the method.
Also, an element of irrationality, which, too, tends to frighten.

I am not saying Assad did it, or that sheer terror was his intention, but this is at least one possibility to consider.
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Perfectly explained - surprised it even popped up as a question really!!!!!
 
cmikes said:
My opinion, and I obviously may be wrong, is that Assad was testing the waters. Would Trump be another Obama pointlessly talking up "red lines" and "consequences" while fruitlessly standing by, or would he actually do something?

The question is, though, now what? I see the need to try to prevent the spread and use of WMD, but the problem is that there is no right side in this conflict. Should we support the fascist thug who has no problems killing hundreds of thousands of his own people to keep his grasp on power, or the collection of terrorist groups who want to take over to establish another outpost of their Caliphate in order to have another base to launch attacks on the West from? Or stay out of it completely and watch as more people caught in the middle die and the chaos possibly spread to other countries in the Middle East?
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Try hard to destroy the bad guys without killing too many neutrals is currently the best that can be done. Old SF movie from book of same title - The 27th Day - had the right method but it is well beyond current ability to perform.
 
Here are two items from Media Watch in Australia, the first is dated the 10th of April, which has these two comments from progressives:

And completing this odd troika is the Australian left in the shape of Sydney academic Tim Anderson, who featured on Media Watch in 2014 after one of his many visits to support the Assad regime.

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And to illustrate the point, here’s another voice, former Sydney academic, Paul Antonopoulos, who’s been busy defending Assad on social media, claiming the gas attack was staged.
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Interestingly both seemed to get their ideas from Alex Jones...

And here is the other article in which it is stated that Paul Antonopoulos has been fired from a Pro-Assad media outlet because he used to be involved with Stormfront:

This weekend Antonopoulos was stood down and then forced to resign from his job as Al Masdar News’s deputy editor after it was revealed he had posted race hate comments 10 years ago on a pro-Nazi website called Storm Front.
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www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4661910.htm
 
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