Swine Flu outbreak

CNN has been having a field day with it today. After all, there is a potential for thousands of people to get sick and die! Be afraid!!!

Indeed. I'm very glad that absolutely nothing else newsworthy happened that day so that all of the cable news networks could devote their entire 24-hours of programming to it (and I'm not exaggerating all that much - I was in a hospital bed all damn day with nothing else to do but channel surf).
 
Is it even realistic to think it could be contained? I thought a virus was most contagious before you exhibit symptoms.

Nope.

They're often infectious prior to exhibiting symptoms, but they far less likely to trasmit it to you. When someone is coughing his lungs out, he's not only contagious, but also releasing billions of viruses expelled violently.
 
Is that what he recommended?
Pretty much. What do you think happens if nobody gets into an enclosed space with anybody else?

Do you think most people work in an office by themselves all day? Or outside?
 
Pretty much. What do you think happens if nobody gets into an enclosed space with anybody else?

Do you think most people work in an office by themselves all day? Or outside?
So... are you telling me that you would have MORE respect for a leader who cast aside science-based recommendations from epidemiologists in favor of kowtowing to private interests? What do you think of Senator McCain's push to close the Mexican border, despite the fact that no epidemiologist supports the idea as having even the slightest hope of containing the virus (and point out that such a measure could in fact do more harm than good)? Was THAT a confirmed case of foot-in-mouth, or is it just plain stupidity?
 
So... are you telling me that you would have MORE respect for a leader who cast aside science-based recommendations from epidemiologists in favor of kowtowing to private interests?
So if I call the CDC I'll get a recording saying the office is closed until the swine flu epidemic is over?

What do you think of Senator McCain's push to close the Mexican border, despite the fact that no epidemiologist supports the idea as having even the slightest hope of containing the virus (and point out that such a measure could in fact do more harm than good)? Was THAT a confirmed case of foot-in-mouth, or is it just plain stupidity?
Hysterical overreaction.
 
Nope.

They're often infectious prior to exhibiting symptoms, but they far less likely to trasmit it to you. When someone is coughing his lungs out, he's not only contagious, but also releasing billions of viruses expelled violently.

Thanks for the clarification. I never really believed that for the exact reason you cited (coughing seems to be the mechanism for distribution). Must have been an urban legend.
 
Indeed. I'm very glad that absolutely nothing else newsworthy happened that day so that all of the cable news networks could devote their entire 24-hours of programming to it (and I'm not exaggerating all that much - I was in a hospital bed all damn day with nothing else to do but channel surf).

It's still better than "Octo Mom".
 
The White House issued an apology for Biden's statement, so I guess Obama thought it was out of line.
How long until some Conspiracy Freak suggests that Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner are behind the Outbreak because it is good for ratings, a la The Media Morgul wanting to start World War 3 because it would be good for ratings in "Tommorow Never Dies"?
 
Watching the young Hispanic kid puking his guts out into the shrubbery at the Mall this afternoon, while Papa waits for him to finish, so they can continue -into- the Mall....
Is cluelessness a prosecutable crime?
 
So if I call the CDC I'll get a recording saying the office is closed until the swine flu epidemic is over?
If this thing continues to progress, then at the point when prevalence is high in specific areas, I predict that you will begin to hear recommendations from persons in positions of authority in those areas that anyone who does not have to go out in public refrain from doing so, and that anyone who can take some time off work go ahead and do that. Some large companies have actually developed their own plans for dealing with it (telecommuting, etc). If it progresses to the point where it comes to affect a quarter or a third of the population, then you can bet that there will be a lot of businesses, and even some government agencies, that will be forced to close due to inadequate staffing. You can also bet that the CDC won't be one of them.

Since the dawning of awareness of the threat posed by the H5N1 virus, there has been a great deal of speculation regarding the potential for failure of vital systems due to absenteeism among critical workers, and much discussion about the moral and even legal implications of workers staying out, due, not to sickness, but to fear of exposing themselves to possible infection. If you have a perfect solution, I'm sure a lot of people would be eager to hear it.
 
You're not the first, but would folks stop using the word "pandemic" as a synonym for virulent or deadly.

Fair enough but I did say "may" kill.

Oh, and other than that, BaC, most of your post is wrong.

You disagree about the utility of vaccines that weren't designed for the new strain?

You think antibiotics will stop the spread of the flu?

You think our society is not more vulnerable in interruption in distribution of food and other services?

The mobility factor of modern society is more than offset by the available treatments that they didn't have in 1918.

Maybe. I guess that depends on the nature of the flu or whatever bug/virus results in a pandemic. It could be that the added mobility just makes it likely all your new treatments will be overwhelmed by a larger flux customers sooner than you expected.
 
While it looks like our public health officials have gotten the jump on this and there are already researchers in the US, the UK and France working on a vaccine I find it kinda disturbing the number of people who are dismissing this as a complete media invention. Yes there have been a number of overreactions including calls to close the border with Mexico, school districts closing down with no evidence any of their students have it, what Egypt proposed and China banning pork imports from the US. That is somewhat troubling but that doesn't mean you should take the position that 2009 H1N1 was completely harmless and never posed any danger. All along what made 2009 H1N1 dangerous was its potential. Scientists and medical researchers weren't concerned because it had already killed millions (after a virus hits that point there isn't much you can do except ride it out) they were concerned because if things played out a certain way this virus could kill millions. We have well funded agencies like the CDC to try and stay ahead of these things and as such they are always concerning themselves with what things could do. Think about it like this; some people make a big deal about how 38,000 people die in the US from the so-called "regular" flu every year. They wonder, given that figure, why 2009 H1N1 is having such a big deal made about it? The reason is that the 38,000 is an expected figure within predicted ranges from a strain that is rather well controlled. Yes that means they do expect 35-40 thousand people will die from it but the key is that they absolutely don't expect 350-450,000 to die from it. 2009 H1N1, on the other hand, is a novel virus and if it was to get to the point that 38,000 people in the US were dead from it we'd be only at the tip of the iceberg in terms of what havoc it might wreak. It would certainly find pools of people in the population with less resistance than usual and it might nearly wipe them out. It also might mutate into a more virulent form.

Bottom line is that when you are dealing with a novel strain of a contagious virus you should not let it get to the point that it is outstripping existing strains in the number of deaths. By then it's probably too late to much of anything about it.
 
To claim swine flu is a media invention is crazy, but to claim that all of us are at an immediate risk is equally so. Personally, I think this is another reason to keep us out of Mexico. I don't know who Presidente Calderon pissed off, but our media obviously doesn't like him. First drugs, then gangs, now swine flu? Read: don't visit Mexico.

Actually, I think I might be coming down with the swine flu... I've been extremely sympathetic towards police lately. :clap:
 
Guy next to me tonight was talking about how deathly ill he was last weekend, said he didn't bother reporting it because then he knew CNN would be right at his door. I think there may be lot of other cases like that. Of course, he was still hacking so I'll probably be off the Forum in the next few days...
 
Looks like the arizona tv news "blackout" is finally over

Left and right talk stations here have been screaming about how no cases were reported here on tv news while the other states around us were lighting up.
 
Looks like the arizona tv news "blackout" is finally over

Left and right talk stations here have been screaming about how no cases were reported here on tv news while the other states around us were lighting up.

Why does that sound like election coverage ?
 
The White House issued an apology for Biden's statement, so I guess Obama thought it was out of line.
How long until some Conspiracy Freak suggests that Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner are behind the Outbreak because it is good for ratings, a la The Media Morgul wanting to start World War 3 because it would be good for ratings in "Tommorow Never Dies"?

Based on the idiocy I've seen at the David Icke forums, I give it less than a day.
 

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