Swedish serial killer inspired by Niels Harrit

[dudalb]

I wonder if we should start examining more closely the undercurrent of anti-Muslim sentiment that exists among proponents of the official 9/11 story. There is plenty of evidence of it.

How about the Anti Muslim sentiment among the truthers that Muslims are too stupid and ignorant to pull off something like 9.11?


What is really annoying about Truther is more then Ten Years on, they still cannot up with anything but the Same Old You Know What to defend their cause.

 

[Starving for Truth]

So it's ok that the government murders 3000 people, but God beware one person kills some people in his spare time? So what if Harrit inspired him.

 

[Starving for Truth]

Some of you may know the guy standing to the far right, in a “911 was an inside job” shirt. He is very active on Youtube as Thetan1974/Jeppe Severin, and trust me the way they talk about/to anybody who doesn’t agree with them, is far from polite and often extremely unfriendly and offensive.

This Jeppe Severin, alias Mr. Martin?

http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Martin

Mr. Martin, med det borgerlige navn Jeppe Severin, er en dansk pornomodel og pornoinstruktør, der har medvirket i film som Danish DeLuxe 4 og mange andre. Han er desuden aktiv inden for konspirationsteorier såsom sandheden bag 11. september.

He must be a SHILL, doing his best to discredit the scientific credibility of the truth movement by associating himself with highly respected researchers such as Niels Harrit.

Our fine truth seeking movement is really going down the drain

 

[fitzgibbon]

I wonder if we should start examining more closely the undercurrent of anti-Muslim sentiment that exists among proponents of the official 9/11 story. There is plenty of evidence of it.

How about the Anti Muslim sentiment among the truthers that Muslims are too stupid and ignorant to pull off something like 9.11?

Nicely played rally there, dudalb! ergo? I believe the ball's back in your court for you to rally or pull a McEnroe

Fitz

 

[Justin39640]

So it's ok that the government murders 3000 people,

Actually, we were pretty pissed at Al Qaeda IIRC.

 

[Brainster]

There are lots of Truther Murderers. Here's a partial list:

Sean Fitzgerald: Murdered his father with a knife because he thought his dad was the devil. Member of 9-11 Truth Visibility and We Are Change Colorado (WACCO).

Richard Poplawski: Murdered three cops who had come to his parents' house to answer a domestic disturbance (his mother was kicking him out and he refused to go). Alex Jones fan.

Jared Loughner:

Mistrust of government was his defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the government was behind 9/11, and worried that governments were maneuvering to create a unified monetary system ("a New World Order currency" one friend said) so that social elites and bureaucrats could control the rest of the world.

Curtis Maynard:

Melissa Meza, 34, a Dow Chemical engineer, was shot multiple times in the front yard of her home Wednesday night by 42-year-old Curtis Boone Maynard, a registered nurse, who later shot himself. The couple had been divorced for more than a year.

9-11 Truther, Holocaust Denier, you name it. First class kook.

James Von Brunn: Killed a guard at the Holocaust Museum. White supremacist, Holocaust Denier, and 9-11 Truther.

Kurt Sonnenfeld: Murdered his wife, currently on the lam in Chile. Claims to have video evidence that 9-11 was an inside job.

There are probably some more; the Pentagon shooter a couple years back was a Troofer, but (fortunately) didn't succeed in actually killing anybody.

 

[StankApe]

I think this is all evidence that conspiracy theories attract the mentally damaged as it gives them a feeling of empowerment rather than the reverse.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

Really? Who are those people?

There are lots of Truther Murderers. Here's a partial list:

Sean Fitzgerald: Murdered his father with a knife because he thought his dad was the devil. Member of 9-11 Truth Visibility and We Are Change Colorado (WACCO).

Richard Poplawski: Murdered three cops who had come to his parents' house to answer a domestic disturbance (his mother was kicking him out and he refused to go). Alex Jones fan.

Jared Loughner:



Curtis Maynard:



9-11 Truther, Holocaust Denier, you name it. First class kook.

James Von Brunn: Killed a guard at the Holocaust Museum. White supremacist, Holocaust Denier, and 9-11 Truther.

Kurt Sonnenfeld: Murdered his wife, currently on the lam in Chile. Claims to have video evidence that 9-11 was an inside job.

There are probably some more; the Pentagon shooter a couple years back was a Troofer, but (fortunately) didn't succeed in actually killing anybody.

Another sad story to add to the list:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252708

 

[carlitos]

... We Are Change Colorado (WACCO).

Hey, let's name our paranoid conspiracy club something that's can be pronounced "whacko." Awesome.

 

[StankApe]

(WACCO)

White Americans Convinced of Crazy Occurences

 

[Richard the G]

There are lots of Truther Murderers. Here's a partial list:

Sean Fitzgerald: Murdered his father with a knife because he thought his dad was the devil. Member of 9-11 Truth Visibility and We Are Change Colorado (WACCO).

Richard Poplawski: Murdered three cops who had come to his parents' house to answer a domestic disturbance (his mother was kicking him out and he refused to go). Alex Jones fan.

Jared Loughner:


Curtis Maynard:



9-11 Truther, Holocaust Denier, you name it. First class kook.

James Von Brunn: Killed a guard at the Holocaust Museum. White supremacist, Holocaust Denier, and 9-11 Truther.

Kurt Sonnenfeld: Murdered his wife, currently on the lam in Chile. Claims to have video evidence that 9-11 was an inside job.

There are probably some more; the Pentagon shooter a couple years back was a Troofer, but (fortunately) didn't succeed in actually killing anybody.

Perhaps Oystein can tell us how much more likely it is for 9/11 truth supporters to be murderers compared to normal members of society.? I suspect it is much more likely, since both 9/11 truthers and murderers require a certain disconnection to reality.

I am not saying that all truthers are murderers, only that the evidence is that they are more likely to be. And we all know how much truthers love evidence.

 

[Oystein]

Perhaps Oystein can tell us how much more likely it is for 9/11 truth supporters to be murderers compared to normal members of society.?...

No, I can't, and I wouldn't dare to.

We can get overall homicide stats.
But how do you decide how many homicides were committed by 9/11 Truthers?
How do you decide how many 9/11 Truthers there are in the general population?
Could you count all those who ever, anywhere, have published an opinion on 9/11 being an inside job? Online on blogs, fora, guestbooks, or real-world in demos, letters to editors, interviews?

AE911Truth seems to have reached ca. 0.04% of all professional engineers in the USA - 1 in 2,500.
Probably a higher percentage of licensed architects.

Extrapolating from there, I'd say that at least 0.1% of the general population (1 in 1,000) might be ready to publicly lend their voice to demands of a new 9/11 investigation.

Truthers of course will claim that they have a majority of the people.


If Brainster's list is legit (I haven't checked). we have 10 victims of twoofy American (?) murderers (?), with now over a span of a little over 11 years, or 0.9 per year.
Scanning WP's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_rate I find a number of 14,748 murder cases in the USA in the last reported year.

So it appears that the at least 1 in 1,000 truthers account for 1 in 16,000 murders.


Given those numbers, one would conclude that Twoofers are much less likely to murder than other people - but of course these numbers have holes larger than the twin towers.

 

[carlitos]

At the risk of tone-trolling, I don't like to see the word "Twoofers" used by anyone other than themselves.

 

[DGM]

Hey, let's name our paranoid conspiracy club something that's can be pronounced "whacko." Awesome.

And I thought you were going here.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

 

[ergo]

There are lots of Truther Murderers. Here's a partial list:

Jared Loughner:

I can't find any sources definitively linking him to 9/11 truth. The link you provided (to a bedunker site) doesn't lead to any other credible sources. Given that there are many, many people in the world who believe that we do not have the full truth about 9/11, it is unavoidable that this will also include people who commit crimes. Just as people who believe in and support the CIA-endorsed 9/11 conspiracy theories also commit horrific crimes.

Curtis Maynard:
9-11 Truther, Holocaust Denier, you name it. First class kook.

Source? Your link doesn't mention anything about his beliefs. I'd never heard of him.

James Von Brunn: Killed a guard at the Holocaust Museum. White supremacist, Holocaust Denier, and 9-11 Truther.

Source? What is his 9/11 truth affiliation?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: Murdered his wife, currently on the lam in Chile. Claims to have video evidence that 9-11 was an inside job.

Here are some other sources for Kurt Sonnenfeld:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Sonnenfeld

http://www.voltairenet.org/article175780.html

He doesn't look to me like someone who's hiding.

There are probably some more; the Pentagon shooter a couple years back was a Troofer, but (fortunately) didn't succeed in actually killing anybody.

"Probably"? You haven't even shown one definitive one yet.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

Given those numbers, one would conclude that Twoofers are much less likely to murder than other people - but of course these numbers have holes larger than the twin towers.

Mind you, Truthers are less likely to do anything than other people.

 

[Stamuel]

ETA: I vaguely remember a study (? Or hypothesis?) that was discussed here quite a while ago, according to which belief in Conspiracy Theories is positively (and causally?) correlated to the propensity to commit just the kinds of things that are attributed to the mythical conspirators:
- If the CT alleges fraud, then CT believers are more likely to be fraudsters themselves
- If the CT alleged cover-up, then the CT believers are more likely to state that they would cover up conspiracies
- If the CT alleged murder, then the CT believers are more likely to state that they would murder, if they were part of the conspiracy.

I believe the study you were thinking of is this one:

http://www.academia.edu/1297450/Doe...nfluenced_by_personal_willingness_to_conspire

 

[Oystein]

I believe the study you were thinking of is this one:

http://www.academia.edu/1297450/Doe...nfluenced_by_personal_willingness_to_conspire

Yes, exactly! Thanks!

Does such a study really exist? Or are you just conveniently "vaguely remembering it being discussed" somewhere? Would love to see it.

Yes, me too

Maybe later tonight I'll find a couple of useful keywords somewhere in my brain.
Or perhaps some of the folks reading along here do remember. That would incindetally be the reason why I posted this: To get others to fill my memory in.

Ha, ergo! See how this works?

 

[chrismohr]

Ergo is right... to try to connect 9/11 Truth with murderers is pretty lame. Niels Harrit has no responsibility for a psycho killer who happens to accept Harrit's theories, any more than the Beatles are responsible for the Charles Manson killings of the sixties because they wrote the song Helter-Skelter. I'm sure there are plenty of murderers who believe 19 terrorists boarded the planes and caused the 9/11 catastrophes.

 

[beachnut]

Ergo is right... to try to connect 9/11 Truth with murderers is pretty lame. Niels Harrit has no responsibility for a psycho killer who happens to accept Harrit's theories, any more than the Beatles are responsible for the Charles Manson killings of the sixties because they wrote the song Helter-Skelter. I'm sure there are plenty of murderers who believe 19 terrorists boarded the planes and caused the 9/11 catastrophes.

The Beatles promoted idiotic lies? You mean the sun is not coming? Or there is not Something in the way she? ...
What conspiracy did the Beatles promote? Does Gage like the Beatles?
Did Helter-Skelter inspire the idiot Manson? A song about a slide? Idiot, Manson, makes up the end of times. The Beatles were not spreading lies like Harrit did.

No surprise an idiot killer, who might be insane, would adopt Harriet's perverted claims on 911. Harrit's claims so far out, only idiots would adopt them.

Ergo has no clue what happened on 911, too bad this glimmer of logic fails to transfer and pulverize her 911 fantasies. Not a surprise Ergo and a serial killer share some delusions on 911.

Harrit is innocent, he only cries "fire" in the crowded mind of a nut, who kills. What is wrong with spreading idiotic lies and inspiring a serial killer with ideas. Do lies of thermite and lame conspiracies inspire murder of immigrants? Harrit seems to be insane when it comes to 911, he can't be held accountable for his ideas infecting another delusional mind filled with hate.