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Susan McElwein Interview

Can you provide a synopsis?

I got bored in the first few minutes because the camera work and music was very annoying. Then I noticed it ran for over 40 minutes.

Why do 'truthers' always make such crappy videos? Couldn't they just cut straight to the interview?
 
Could you present (A) a shorter clip of the important part. I have not the patience sit through 40 minutes of WOO to get to one line. (B) Present a witness not interviewed by the WOO.

TAM:)
 
rev91, why don't you and tc just tell us what she says?

That will serve several purposes:

1. It means we don't have to sit through someones attempt at professional filmaking
2. It means you will actually have had to watch and understand the video
3. It means that any spin you put on the words of the witness can be assessed

cheers
 
uk_dave said:
rev91, why don't you and tc just tell us what she says?

That will serve several purposes:

1. It means we don't have to sit through someones attempt at professional filmaking
2. It means you will actually have had to watch and understand the video
3. It means that any spin you put on the words of the witness can be assessed

cheers
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If you want to avoid spin then watch the video. I deliberately didnt give my opinion in the opening post so you could make your own mind up.

I'm going out on a limb here and making the prediction that the "skeptics" here will just accuse her of lying or being confused.
 
like I said, i am not going to sit through 40 minutes of the woo for what amounts to a one to two line comment.

TAM:)
 
Knowing she hadnt seen a 757, Susan came to the conclussion that what she saw that day had to be either a missile or some type of unmanned drone plane based on pictures of such vehicles sent to her by independent researchers. She has stated since 9/11/2001 what flew over her wasn't a 757 and that it was not much bigger than her van & all white. I clarified her descrpition in my interview. She called it a plane for lack of a better description. She really couldnt identify what it was, had never seen anything like, only knew that it was flying with some incredible manuevering.There's 2 minutes of music. If you cant get past that then you're full of **** and I have no interest in discussing this with you although I suspect you did watch and there is no way to dismiss her testimony so now the best thing to do is attack whether the film shakes or its quality.Tactic #426.... lame

I was going to post select quotes but you guys not watching this aint interested in anything but Bush's Fable........

And you think you're real researchers.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
I thought some people may be interested in this. It is a full interview with Susan McElwein from Shanksville. She saw a missile.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3949382240907258298
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She says right in the begining that she saw a plane. Then she goes on to say that afterwards some man from California convinced her that she actually saw a missile.

Huh?

She also says:
"something else was there"
"whatever that was I saw"
"what did I see?"

Huh again....
 
TC329 said:
Knowing she hadnt seen a 757, Susan came to the conclussion that what she saw that day had to be either a missile or some type of unmanned drone plane based on pictures of such vehicles sent to her by independent researchers. She has stated since 9/11/2001 what flew over her wasn't a 757 and that it was not much bigger than her van & all white. I clarified her descrpition in my interview. She called it a plane for lack of a better description. She really couldnt identify what it was, had never seen anything like, only knew that it was flying with some incredible manuevering.There's 2 minutes of music. If you cant get past that then you're full of **** and I have no interest in discussing this with you although I suspect you did watch and there is no way to dismiss her testimony so now the best thing to do is attack whether the film shakes or its quality.Tactic #426.... lame

I was going to post select quotes but you guys not watching this aint interested in anything but Bush's Fable........

And you think you're real researchers.
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Nice cop out...to be expected. Like I said at the beginning, give us a brief clip, not 40 minutes of padding, and I will watch it.

TAM:)
 
Alt+F4 said:
She says right in the begining that she saw a plane. Then she goes on to say that afterwards some man from California convinced her that she actually saw a missile.

Huh?

She also says:
"something else was there"
"whatever that was I saw"
"what did I see?"

Huh again....
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"This.....I keep calling it a plane for lack of any other...."

"Because it was so low I ducked in my van and when I did I shut off my radio. And thats when I knew there was no sound."

"It cleared those trees, it was fall, no leaves moved on the tree..."

"It was pure white, there wasn't any markings on it, there was no rivets. It was that close I would have seen them. It was so molded like it was all one piece."

"It was cylinder, it came back and this spoiler was across it"

Question from me : "And there were no wings or...?"

Susan "I did not see any wings."

Question from me : "What do you think it was?"

Susan "I can only go by what other people have said to me cuz at the time I thought it was a plane. But like that guy from California WHO MAILED ME A BUNCH OF PICTURES and that guy from Bedford WHO SENT ME A BUNCH OF PICTURES, they all said the same thing that it had to be a missile or an unmanned plane or something..."
 
TC329 said:
What was the purpose of your reply. "You guessed wrong!"

I have a witness heavily referenced throughout the entire media uncut destroying the UA93 fairy tale. He isn't guessing what he said.

So there's no guessing wrong. So I stand by my assessment of you. Please report me, I really dont need to interact with such lowly individuals anyways.
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SO let me guess, this astounding witness testimony, which you say puts the UA93 tale into the fictional catagory, you have brought this to media outlets but they have ignored you, right? I mean Hillary, Obama, John Edwards, they are all in on it, so they won't want to hear about this earth shattering account either, right?

Please.

TAM:)
 
Susan Mcelwain, 51, who lives two miles from the site, knows what she saw - the white plane rocketed directly over her head.

"It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50ft above my mini-van," she recalled. "It was so low I ducked instinctively. It was travelling real fast, but hardly made any sound.

"Then it disappeared behind some trees. A few seconds later I heard this great explosion and saw this fireball rise up over the trees, so I figured the jet had crashed. The ground really shook. So I dialled 911 and told them what happened.

"I'd heard nothing about the other attacks and it was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realised it wasn't the white jet, but Flight 93.

Ididn't think much more about it until the authorities started to say there had been no other plane. The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down.

"There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.

"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up.

"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40ft above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."

Mrs Mcelwain, who looks after special needs children, is further convinced the whole truth has yet to come out because of a phone call she had within hours from the wife of an air force friend of the family.

"She said her husband had called her that morning and said 'I can't talk, but we've just shot a plane down,' " Susan said. "I presumed they meant Flight 93. I have no doubt those brave people on board tried to do something, but I don't believe what happened on the plane brought it down.

"If they shot it down, or something else happened, everyone, especially the victims' families, have a right to know."
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Source: Mirror (12/sep/2002)

(Bolding mine)
 
TC329 said:
"This.....I keep calling it a plane for lack of any other...."

"Because it was so low I ducked in my van and when I did I shut off my radio. And thats when I knew there was no sound."

"It cleared those trees, it was fall, no leaves moved on the tree..."

"It was pure white, there wasn't any markings on it, there was no rivets. It was that close I would have seen them. It was so molded like it was all one piece."

"It was cylinder, it came back and this spoiler was across it"

Question from me : "And there were no wings or...?"

Susan "I did not see any wings."

Question from me : "What do you think it was?"

Susan "I can only go by what other people have said to me cuz at the time I thought it was a plane. But like that guy from California WHO MAILED ME A BUNCH OF PICTURES and that guy from Bedford WHO SENT ME A BUNCH OF PICTURES, they all said the same thing that it had to be a missile or an unmanned plane or something..."
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If she can see rivets on a plane travelling over her head at 400-500 mph, than the USG need to remove her eyes and study them, as she can see what noone else would see.

Susan "I can only go by what other people have said to me cuz at the time I thought it was a plane. But like that guy from California WHO MAILED ME A BUNCH OF PICTURES and that guy from Bedford WHO SENT ME A BUNCH OF PICTURES, they all said the same thing that it had to be a missile or an unmanned plane or something..."
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So you are interviewing her, about what she saw, after she has been influenced by others, with pictures of other flying apparatus, and you feel her testimony is valid? When Police interview a suspect, or a witness, do they allow her to first go talk to other people about what she "Might" have seen before they get her testimony?

TAM:)
 
Revolutionary91 said:
If you want to avoid spin then watch the video. I deliberately didnt give my opinion in the opening post so you could make your own mind up.
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No, it's interesting to hear your take on it. And to make sure that you've watched the video.

TC329 said:
Knowing she hadnt seen a 757, Susan came to the conclussion that what she saw that day had to be either a missile or some type of unmanned drone plane based on pictures of such vehicles sent to her by independent researchers.
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Which one of the pictures sent to her did she identify as being what she saw?
She has stated since 9/11/2001 what flew over her wasn't a 757 and that it was not much bigger than her van & all white. I clarified her descrpition in my interview. She called it a plane for lack of a better description. She really couldnt identify what it was, had never seen anything like, only knew that it was flying with some incredible manuevering.
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She is obviously an expert in judging height. Could it be that she didn't hear any noise because it was much higher than she estimated?
There's 2 minutes of music.
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why?
If you cant get past that then you're full of **** and I have no interest in discussing this with you although I suspect you did watch and there is no way to dismiss her testimony so now the best thing to do is attack whether the film shakes or its quality.Tactic #426.... lame
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Nope I haven't watched it. Do you have a time stamp for the actual interview so I can avoid the crap?
I was going to post select quotes but you guys not watching this aint interested in anything but Bush's Fable........
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No, please do

And you think you're real researchers.
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Nope. But you do. And you're wrong.
 
TC329 said:


Susan "I can only go by what other people have said to me cuz at the time I thought it was a plane. But like that guy from California WHO MAILED ME A BUNCH OF PICTURES and that guy from Bedford WHO SENT ME A BUNCH OF PICTURES, they all said the same thing that it had to be a missile or an unmanned plane or something..."
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ouch! She's being told what it is by someone else?

good grief. Call yourself a researcher? lol
 
So there were two missiles at Ground Zero, one missile at the Pentagon, and now a missile at Shanksville...

WTF is up with the twoofer fascination with missiles?
 
And why is it that these missiles are going so slow that you can make out any detail?

Did the NWO use the 'pokey little missle set' that day?
 
Those big powerful beasts... Their shape oddly reminiscent of something...

021B.MorrisAnothermissileinflight.jpg

One thing's for sure, they can do the job.
 
kookbreaker said:
And why is it that these missiles are going so slow that you can make out any detail?

Did the NWO use the 'pokey little missle set' that day?
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Maybe these are Transformer© missles. They start out as planes then turn into missles.
 
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