Survival

Prevention by unnatural interventions can be an assualt on nature or a suppression to natural death.

So birth control is an assault on nature? Medicine which stops you from dying is an assault on nature?

We may have to see it very very deeply to be absolute & final.

No such thing as absolute and final, Kumar. You will never get there. Ever. It is impossible. The closest you can get is with the scientific method.

Without brain/mind, probably nothing can exist. It is different issue, what type of brain/mind?

No, you are wrong. Computers don't have brains, but they exist.
 
So birth control is an assault on nature? Medicine which stops you from dying is an assault on nature?

It can or it may not. Depend pon nature's balance.:)


No such thing as absolute and final, Kumar. You will never get there. Ever. It is impossible. The closest you can get is with the scientific method.

Is it absulote & final, water is H2O? It was also told by science.



No, you are wrong. Computers don't have brains, but they exist.

They don't have human type of brain.
 
Then who control them to perform functions? If it is biology, brain is also a part of biology. It it not?

Nothing controls cancer. That's why it's cancer. Do you know what cancer is?
 
Then who control them to perform functions? If it is biology, brain is also a part of biology. It it not?

The brain is part of biology, yes, but it does not control cells. It is made of cells itself. Think of cells as little robots. They perform the task they are programmed to do. In the case of cancer, that programming is "replicate".
 
Then who control them to perform functions? If it is biology, brain is also a part of biology. It it not?

DNA "controls" them.

Changing a pathogens DNA isn't as easy as changing your mind.

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Beause we take it like that, therefore we may be losing it.


No, because she is a tough bitch, I would say it is still about even. I wouldn't give odds against her in the long run.


And no, I don't really think of nature as female, singular, or whatever the feminine version of anthropomorphized is, but I am all for doing whatever it takes to help humans survive. Yay! I am back on topic in regards to the OP!
 
Killing and dying are seprate things. When cancer cells are dying it will be their natural death but why cancer treatments that will be killing.

Not to what is being killed and dying as a result of being killed. Which of course is one of the basic problems in cancer treatment, how do you kill the cancerous cells without affecting, and thus killing, surrounding healthy cells?


Does it look not bit odd that cancer cells become independent but don't have mind?

All cells are independent to some degree or other. When they act in concert it is general considered an organism, organ or organ system. So it doesn’t look a “bit odd that cancer cells become independent but don't have mind”.

No, that is natural death. However encouraging it by intervention can be taken as killing.

Your body kills things all the time, including those cells that have reached their life expectancy. If not, cells would keep reproducing and our cellular load would become more than the possible nutritional intake could sustain.


I am not sure. But I am worried how they are independant without mind? You know, memory is a big problem here.

Not really, some cells present antigens (certain proteins) or certain antigen receptors (places bits of protein can bind to) on their surface as response from perhaps an earlier infection, that helps to recognize a subsequent infection. In that regard it can be considered a “memory” of that pervious infection. My car is independent of my house yet nether has any mind. If I slam my car into my house, my house will now have an indentation of my car on its surface (a car receptor or a place where a car like mine could fit). A memory of that impact to some extent. Yet that impact gives neither my car nor my house a mind as a result (and the event might seriously bring into question my mind at the time).

There can be difference in normal infections & epidemic infection. In later it can/should still be body-controlled but in later it may be germ controlled. Germs can be attracted or owerpower. We might definately be attracting many insects probably due to our bio-instabilities or bio-imbalances.

I think you are disregarding a particular “imbalance”, where ones own immune system begins to attack the body (autoimmune diseases). Just as in the difficulty with distinguishing cancerous cells to kill from those other healthy cells. The body (and specifically the immune system) can fail to recognize (again often by antigens and receptors) healthy cells from those infected or some infection or injury. The immune system goes into overdrive and begins attacking the very cells or systems it should protect. Myself , I inject a tumor necrosis factor inhibitor (a biological protein that binds to certain cellular antigen receptors, particularly for inflammation response) that keeps my immune system at bay and prevents it from destroying critical parts of my own joint function. So a “body-controlled” attack on one’s own body subsequently controlled by the introduction of an injected biological fusion protein .
 
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Kumar, this modified Terry Pratchett quote might be helpful for you:

"The body isn't run by our mind, despite its opnion in the matter"

The majority of your bodily functions run on automatic, you have NO control over them. And all of the subcellular mechanisms are utterly beyond our mind's control. Cancer is an error in subcellular machinery.

Start cycle
Check local input signals
IF signal = divide
GOTO divide ELSE return to start cycle

divide
GOTO start cycle

this is probably a good analogy of the controlling mechanism of cancer cells.
 

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