Survey about creationism

[c4ts]

This is the same type of thing that creationists say about evolution information. Both sides claim each other has inaccuracies and lies.

I wish I had more time to look at all info on the subject. There is so much information.

The Creationists are exibiting woo woo behavior at this point. They are merely reflecting accusations they do not understand the meaning of.

 

[Dub]

This is the same type of thing that creationists say about evolution information. Both sides claim each other has inaccuracies and lies.

I wish I had more time to look at all info on the subject. There is so much information.

In my experience, creationist's attack on evolution are based on a mis-understanding of evolution. All they can do is attack straw-men. Of course, people that do not understand evolution themseleves are unable to see the flaws in the creationists arguement - this is what the creationisits rely on. with a bit of research of the true theory of evolution, creationist argument are clearly bogus.

I've posted some of the inaccuracies and lies in the site you posted - and hopefully explained why they are not true. If you have any examples of creationist attacks on the theory of evolution, please post some here. I can almost guarantee that the attacks will be based on straw-men.

 

[Dub]

I am not sure how they can be integrated, but it's certainly interesting that it is possible.

Why try and integrate it? Thats just helpless holding on to your beliefs, inspite of evidence showing they are wrong. Why not using it a starting point from intellectual liberation.

 

[Kashyapa]

Athena? I heard she was sort of headstrong. I went out with Persephone for a while, but I found out during her long trips during the wintertime, she was seeing another guy. He was this total ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, and I sort of suspect he was a serial murderer. Apparently their relationship is really manipulative, and she's not happy with him. I heard her mom's a sweetie, too- a real earth-mother type.

Sure the gods exist. I just got back from dating grey-eyed Athena. She really got upset when the waiter forgot to put an olive in her martini, so she hurled a javelin through his chest for insulting the gods. If you think that's overdoing it, you should have met her dad. He's the kind of guy who'll start a war to destroy your whole country if he thinks you're being a bad guest. The last guy to cross him was a member of his own family, and he kicked him off the tallest mountain in the world for it!

 

[Dub]

Athena? I heard she was sort of headstrong. I went out with Persephone for a while, but I found out during her long trips during the wintertime, she was seeing another guy. He was this total ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, and I sort of suspect he was a serial murderer. Apparently their relationship is really manipulative, and she's not happy with him. I heard her mom's a sweetie, too- a real earth-mother type.

errr...WTF!?!?!

 

[Kashyapa]

Sorry, just continuing c4ts' bit of randomness about dating Athena. Persephone is the goddess of spring, who goes to the underworld every winter because Hades (god of the dead) kidnapped her and forced her to be his queen for half the year. I know, I know...cheesy.

 

[c4ts]

errr...WTF!?!?!

Blame me. I wanted to make fun of Ancient Greek polytheism.

 

[Darwin]

"I am not sure how they can be integrated, but it's certainly interesting that it is possible. "

Let´s say that there are christian believers who obviously think it is possible,they feel it is not appropriate to deny evolution but at the same time they feel it is not taking away from their faith either.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Ruby, just wanted to send a public personal note and thank you for being open minded enough to investigate the evidence for the validity of evolution.

 

[Ruby]

This is an old thread. I am sorry for bumping it, but with recent discussions about how JREF has changed someone's beliefs, I could not help think how much it has changed mine...from fundamental Christian to Deist/Agnostic/humanist.

In this thread I found this old post to me by Lord Kenneth (then Dark Cobra)

Originally posted by Dark Cobra
"Please note, Ruby, that there is no such thing as anything "spiritual", and if there is, no evidence of it currently exists.

Please stop dwelling on BS... "

Originally posted by Lord Kenneth


c4ts posted back to him saying "Saying that sort of thing is just going to cause people to cling even harder to their beliefs and superstitions."


Lord Kenneth responded to him with "Those sort of people would never admit they are wrong, with their mental illness of "faith" so strong in them."

Guess what, I was WRONG!!! Most of what I still believed or was clinging to when I posted in this thread has been revaluated and found lacking. I thank everyone who kindly posted links and explanations. Sometimes, it was over my head, but I have worked hard to understand and grasp as much as I can in my puny brain.

I no longer have trouble believing in the big bang theory. I totally believe that ape-men...epecially Neaderthal's existed. I see the bible as being historically and scientifically inaccurate. I cannot accept creationism. This earth is an old earth. There seems no doubt...all the evidence is clear. Anyhow, these are just some of the things that I had problems with when I posted in this thread.

I don't know if Lord Kenneth is on JREF anymore. I would hope he would be happy that he was wrong when he made that statement about me. There are many Christians who are questioning and skeptical and not just spoon fed from their Pastors or brainwashed. If I can change and see the light....they can too!! So, hopefully, if any dare venture onto JREF, we can treat them gently and kindly and with as much patience as possible.................unless they come on to troll and attack and condemn us.

 

[espritch]

I’m not a creationist, so I not really qualified to take the survey. I did want to comment on the flood story. This story is indeed wide spread and very old. The Babylonians had a version of this story much older than the biblical one. Many other cultures have versions of the story as well. There is a theory that the story is based on an actual flood that occurred around the black sea about 7000 years ago when increased sea levels due to the melting of the ice sheets at the end of the ice age carved the Bosporus Straight and pored into the what had been a much smaller fresh water lake during the ice age. This flood made a strong impression on the locals who incorporated it into their legends. And since it was a good story, it spread. Details can be found here:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html

Of course the site notes that flood stories were found among American Indians as well. While I suspect the story would have traveled well, it would seem unlikely that it traveled all the way to the new world, given that settlement of the new world occurred well before 7000 years ago. But who knows?

 

[Ratman_tf]

This is an old thread. I am sorry for bumping it, but with recent discussions about how JREF has changed someone's beliefs, I could not help think how much it has changed mine...from fundamental Christian to Deist/Agnostic/humanist.

In this thread I found this old post to me by Lord Kenneth (then Dark Cobra) Originally posted by Lord Kenneth


c4ts posted back to him saying "Saying that sort of thing is just going to cause people to cling even harder to their beliefs and superstitions."


Lord Kenneth responded to him with "Those sort of people would never admit they are wrong, with their mental illness of "faith" so strong in them."

Guess what, I was WRONG!!! Most of what I still believed or was clinging to when I posted in this thread has been revaluated and found lacking. I thank everyone who kindly posted links and explanations. Sometimes, it was over my head, but I have worked hard to understand and grasp as much as I can in my puny brain.

I no longer have trouble believing in the big bang theory. I totally believe that ape-men...epecially Neaderthal's existed. I see the bible as being historically and scientifically inaccurate. I cannot accept creationism. This earth is an old earth. There seems no doubt...all the evidence is clear. Anyhow, these are just some of the things that I had problems with when I posted in this thread.

I don't know if Lord Kenneth is on JREF anymore. I would hope he would be happy that he was wrong when he made that statement about me. There are many Christians who are questioning and skeptical and not just spoon fed from their Pastors or brainwashed. If I can change and see the light....they can too!! So, hopefully, if any dare venture onto JREF, we can treat them gently and kindly and with as much patience as possible.................unless they come on to troll and attack and condemn us.

You're one of my favorite people here Ruby.
I envy you. A journey is just beginning for you, and there is so much to discover.
I hope you don't lose your sprituality, but instead may find that it changes into a sprituality that encompases all the grandeur of the cosmos, instead of a small part of it.

 

[fishbob]

I have to agree with Ratman_tf, Ruby, you are all right. Best of luck with your self-educaation and best wishes for the new year.

 

[Ruby]

You're one of my favorite people here Ruby.
I envy you. A journey is just beginning for you, and there is so much to discover.
I hope you don't lose your sprituality, but instead may find that it changes into a sprituality that encompases all the grandeur of the cosmos, instead of a small part of it.

Thanks!!!

 

[Ruby]

You're one of my favorite people here Ruby.
I envy you. A journey is just beginning for you, and there is so much to discover.
I hope you don't lose your sprituality, but instead may find that it changes into a sprituality that encompases all the grandeur of the cosmos, instead of a small part of it.

Thanks!!!