Supreme Court Disses Repubs

Pardalis said:
Spare me the fake outrage.
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Your obsession to make my posts into a personal thing is charming,
even if it might violate the "attack the message, not the messenger"
-thingy. If you have an opinion regarding the topic, say it. Your
fellow Canadian Citizen gave some explanations regarding the voting
process in your country, is there something you might want to add?
 
"They didn't deal with the merits of the case," said Ohio GOP Chairman Bob Bennett. "What they dealt with was a technicality on whether we had standing or not to bring the action." ...
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So, in other words, the Supreme Court ruling was based upon a strict interpretation of the law. And conservatives are complaining about this?
 
maxfrost said:
So, in other words, the Supreme Court ruling was based upon a strict interpretation of the law. And conservatives are complaining about this?
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Yes. And as far I remember, the Reps have different voter validation
rules that apply to the federal level, so they obviously thought that
they can win this thing because it would apply to the Dems validating
process as well ... And someone correct me if I'm mistaken.
 
Malerin said:
I'm surprised no one thought this newsworthy. If Obama wins Ohio by a slim margin (and the electoral college by a slim margin also), this court decision will be to Republicans what Gore Vs. Bush was to Democrats.
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No, it wouldn't. It would be the Reps up to their same old 'caging' tricks only this time it didn't work.

As for news coverage, the ACORN story has been completely mischaracterized. There is no evidence anyone was planning to vote with the name Mickey Mouse or with any of the other bad registrations. And how about the fact ACORN has to turn in any registrations they receive? They can't just decide not to turn them in.
 
I should also like to point out one of the key features the Reps were asking for was that the voters be checked against a list of foreclosed houses. Maybe that matters for candidates on the local level, but unless these people moved out of state, that's still one person one vote even if they did have an outdated address on their voter registration.
 
BenBurch said:
Well, that was an example, but they pick the areas to do this in based on voting trends in that place.
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If someone could make a map showing the # of registered democrats and overlay a map showing the voter registration challenges brought by republican funded groups, and there was a strong correlation between the two maps, wouldn't that be very good evidence of deliberate voter fraud?
 
Smackety said:
If someone could make a map showing the # of registered democrats and overlay a map showing the voter registration challenges brought by republican funded groups, and there was a strong correlation between the two maps, wouldn't that be very good evidence of deliberate voter fraud?
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No, of deliberate ELECTION fraud. There is a difference. An that sort of analysis has been done for the last two Presidential elections, but nobody at all wanted to hear of it...
 
BenBurch said:
nobody at all wanted to hear of it...
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Why? How many terms will this chaos go on? - Are the Parties sleeping
regarding an unified, simple election/validating/voting process? Sorry,
but I can't even imagine a more complicated, confusing and nontransparent
process.
 
BenBurch said:
No, of deliberate ELECTION fraud. There is a difference. An that sort of analysis has been done for the last two Presidential elections, but nobody at all wanted to hear of it...
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Have any Democrats engaged in this behavior?

There are a few people here alleging that both sides are essentially the same. I am already arguing that the Democrats are not promoting hate, but it looks like the Democrats are also not trying to cheat.
 
Smackety said:
Have any Democrats engaged in this behavior?

There are a few people here alleging that both sides are essentially the same. I am already arguing that the Democrats are not promoting hate, but it looks like the Democrats are also not trying to cheat.
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How do you know since every county uses different voting methods and
every state different rules. It's an impenetrable jungle of regulations and
processes.
 
Oliver said:
How do you know since every county uses different voting methods and
every state different rules. It's an impenetrable jungle of regulations and
processes.
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How do I know what?
Are you saying that cheating would be hard to detect?
 
Whiplash said:
ETA: Why anyone would be against attempts to curb voter fraud is beyond me.
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Simple, because some attempts at 'curbing voter fraud' have a lot less to do with curbing voter fraud and a lot more to do with trying to suppress the vote in certain areas, typically areas where the vote is heavily in favor of that other party. I.e. "Vote Caging"
 
Smackety said:
How do I know what?
Are you saying that cheating would be hard to detect?
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Unless you know all regulations and voting methods, we both
will never know. To think: "Meh, impossible" would be naive
from what I heard so far about election troubles in recent years.
Acorn just seems to be one of the most harmless incidents.
[While Republicans refer to it as Watergate II by now :D]
 
Whiplash said:
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ETA: Why anyone would be against attempts to curb voter fraud is beyond me. Keep your heart in your chest and off your sleeve when fabricating responses please.
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Another question might be, why are you less concerned about documented election fraud when no significant voter fraud has yet been actually found.
 
Oliver said:
Unless you know all regulations and voting methods, we both
will never know. To think: "Meh, impossible" would be naive
from what I heard so far about election troubles in recent years.
Acorn just seems to be one of the most harmless incidents.
[While Republicans refer to it as Watergate II by now :D]
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Okay, try #2. We will never know what? If someone cheated?
We could never be 100% sure that no cheating happened. We could also never track down 100% of the cheating that did happen. But we most certainly could figure out if ANY cheating happened. If vote caging only happens in predominantly democratic areas, that is clear evidence of cheating, of fraud.
I am curious to know if Democratic groups also engage in 'vote caging'?

ETA: ACORN's bad registration forms are not an attempt to 'cheat'. Attacking ACORN is an attempt to cheat.
 
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BenBurch said:
No, of deliberate ELECTION fraud. There is a difference. An that sort of analysis has been done for the last two Presidential elections, but nobody at all wanted to hear of it...
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In WA State, in King County, (Seattle), where the Democrats predominate, the Republicans went through all the ballots and challenged any where the signatures didn't match. The problem was some of those signatures were from people registering decades earlier. Lots of people's signatures changed over the years.

Then those people challenged had only 2 days to come in person to the registration office and say if they were the person who voted. Not everyone responded.

Then the Republicans tried to put out the news that King County was rife with voter fraud. The Democratic governor won by less than 200 votes. They tried to get the federal attorney to prosecute someone (can't recall the details) in order to have the election results overturned. McKay, the federal attorney, refused on the grounds that no one audited any other county. The likelihood was that the same number of challengeable ballots would be found in every county according to McKay. This was all part of why McKay became one of the 8 attorney's fired for refusing to use their position to illegally influence the election.
 
Smackety said:
Okay, try #2. We will never know what? If someone cheated? We could never be 100% sure that no cheating happened. We could also never track down 100% of the cheating that did happen. But we most certainly could figure out if ANY cheating happened. If vote caging only happens in predominantly democratic areas, that is clear evidence of cheating, of fraud.
I am curious to know if Democratic groups also engage in 'vote caging'?
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Yes, I meant cheating in general. And as far I see it, vote caging
is a Republican "behavior":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_list
http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/pagenum/all/

Smackety said:
ETA: ACORN's bad registration forms are not an attempt to 'cheat'. Attacking ACORN is an attempt to cheat.
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I agree - it's a complete non-issue. [Which surprisingly also distracts
from "teh evil economy topic" the McCain campaign hates so much ;)]
 
We already know that Republicans have cheated and are attempting to cheat.
What we do not know is if Democrats also engage in these tactics.
There are a few posters on here that claim that both sides engage in the same tactics, and I think that is wrong. Democrats do not preach hate and do not attempt fraud by vote caging.
 
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