That would be interesting, but is unlikely.
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Supernatural can never be "proved" to exist (Split from Hypothetical Million...)
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That would be interesting, but is unlikely.
Where do you find the word "proof" in that quote?
Exactly the point of my post, which was immidiately prior to his and available for several hours. Perhaps it was not clear enough maatorc?
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Yes, yes you did. It would seem you agree JREF test could be successfully passed without firmly establishing a paranormal event. Objection to such imprecision is noted and valid, though dismissed by many in the context of the seeming inability of anyone to actually pass a test.
My view as to claims is those who cannot do it may claim for the money or esteem, while those who can do it will not.
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So all persons who have actual paranormal abilities will not apply for the prize. Do you have some evidence for this or are you just pulling it out of your a**?
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jimtron
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For the love of Bob, if someone out there has "paranormal" powers, prove it, and shut us pesky skeptics up. Otherwise, one might get the idea that these powers are a sham.
It cannot be phenomenally proved or disproved.
As known, it is not even necessary to win the challenge.
Technically, the challenge should be for demonstration of an event not presently understood or measurable by science.
Most people here already assume the so-called paranormal is a sham.
Hypothetically, why would one actually 'able' to demonstrate the truth of psychic reality be in any way interested in doing what the JREF-MDC cannot prove, disprove, measure, record or observe other than by at the very best once removed effects?
Perhaps there is one actually "able" to demonstrate a "paranormal" feat and chooses to do strictly privately.
Chances are s/he uses trickery, depends on a special setting and has of course no interest in being exposed. Purely statistical speaking of course.
Since you have dodged the question again maatorc: IXP, maatorc has hinted multiple times that he has seen or knows someone with "powers". He won't provide evidence though.
Chances are s/he uses trickery, depends on a special setting and has of course no interest in being exposed. Purely statistical speaking of course.
Since you have dodged the question again maatorc: IXP, maatorc has hinted multiple times that he has seen or knows someone with "powers". He won't provide evidence though.
1...There is. No special setting is required. Exposure cannot arise because the MDC cannot observe or measure the actual process of the event, and should one actually observe it at its own level one thereby participates in it and its truth lies in this realization.
2...I will not invade the person's privacy nor subject the operation to ridicule here. This should not concern anyone here, though, as no one here believes what I am saying anyway, which does not concern me because I am only letting people here know there is a big wide world of normal reality beyond tunnel-visioned anti-psyhicism.
jimtron
Illuminator
That makes perfect sense; I understand completely.
Is this wittingly or unwittingly seemingly ambivalent?
Usually we don't take anyone's word for granted - not just yours. That's when the evidence comes in, which you steadily refuse to provide.
Really, your tactic on a so-called skeptic board is "only letting people know"? Have you counted the people who join your side in the discussion? (Rhetorical question, don't bother.)
It seems to me you thrive on the friction your blunt assertions cause.
jimtron
Illuminator
Wittingly.
This is where the sum of 1 million dollar has a role to play. Most "real" psychics have of course abilities that make a million dollars seem like nothing to them, but for some, a million dollars would be a substantial fortune, and actually being able to demonstrate the psychic powers through a simple test would be a good reason to apply.
If somebody offered a prize of million dollars to me if I could demonstrate that I can ride a bike, I would certainly accept the offer.
What utter nonsense! The MDC requires a simple demonstration of the kind that psychics perform daily without getting a million dollars for it.
jimtron
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Maatorc:
If I understand you correctly, you're saying JREF could not directly observe the paranormal phenomenon directly? And if someone did a remote viewing demonstration like I suggested, reading numbers from the next room--you're saying that demo would not prove paranormal powers, right?
So let me ask you, how do you or anyone know that paranormal abilities exist? If remote viewing is really possible, how would anyone, skeptic or not, know that? Skeptic or not, how can one discriminate between real, true abilities and fake or imagined ones? We all know most of these "paranormal" powers can be faked--for example, magicians can easily do what Uri Geller does with spoons. And we also know a lot about psychology, and that people can imagine things, or hallucinate, or they're delusional.
Tell me one "paranormal" ability you believe in, and how you know it's real.
ETA: Maatorc, here is your definition of remote viewing:
ETA2: Maatroc said:
Is RV or PP testable by anyone? If so, how? If not, how do we know that they're abilities that some actually really have?
If I understand you correctly, you're saying JREF could not directly observe the paranormal phenomenon directly? And if someone did a remote viewing demonstration like I suggested, reading numbers from the next room--you're saying that demo would not prove paranormal powers, right?
So let me ask you, how do you or anyone know that paranormal abilities exist? If remote viewing is really possible, how would anyone, skeptic or not, know that? Skeptic or not, how can one discriminate between real, true abilities and fake or imagined ones? We all know most of these "paranormal" powers can be faked--for example, magicians can easily do what Uri Geller does with spoons. And we also know a lot about psychology, and that people can imagine things, or hallucinate, or they're delusional.
Tell me one "paranormal" ability you believe in, and how you know it's real.
ETA: Maatorc, here is your definition of remote viewing:
Do you believe this is possible (without using video cameras, or other "tricks")?
ETA2: Maatroc said:
Is RV or PP testable by anyone? If so, how? If not, how do we know that they're abilities that some actually really have?
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There is no 'evidence' whatsoever for the reductionist orthodox scientism basis of skeptic anti-psychism.
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