Super Oxy Stabilised Oxygen - help!!

[Meffy]

I only just noticed another point: Why is the stabilized oxygen the active variety? I would assume that the less stable the oxygen, the more active it would be?

"Active" and "stable" are both feel-good adjectives, so it's both active and stable. Rationalization? Erm... *ponder* Ah.

<feeble> It's so stable that it's packed with horsepower. </feeble>

 

[Bradk3]

I only just noticed another point: Why is the stabilized oxygen the active variety? I would assume that the less stable the oxygen, the more active it would be?

That sounds about right to me. Remembering my chemistry, I seem to recall that what we call "stable" atoms and molecules don't do much.

Hmmmm... That probably about sums up this Super Oxy stuff.

 

[casebro]

Okay, I think I've got it. They fill the bottls from a municipal water supply hose. Said municipality uses Ozone for santizing. In short order, the ozone breaks down from O3 to O2, thereby becoming 'stabilized'. His water probably has more 'stabilized oxygen' than other tap water- I recall 3% as normal...

So far as absorbing O2 from your stomache, I'll bet that all those carbs, fats, and proteins soak oxygen FROM the blood, so a little extra wouldn't hurt. Help any? doubt it. 3% of a liter is 30 mg, not much compared to the breaths we take in a day, and how many mg's in a couple sprays?

 

[Robaato]

Wasn't the onboard atmosphere for the Apollo spacecraft originally planned to be 100% oxygen?

And after a quick wiki check, I see that after the Apollo 1 disaster, the spacecraft atmosphere at launch was modified to be a nitrogen/oxygen mix, but as they travelled to the moon, it was replaced by 100% oxygen.

 

[Rasmus]

Wasn't the onboard atmosphere for the Apollo spacecraft originally planned to be 100% oxygen?

And after a quick wiki check, I see that after the Apollo 1 disaster, the spacecraft atmosphere at launch was modified to be a nitrogen/oxygen mix, but as they travelled to the moon, it was replaced by 100% oxygen.

http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4029/Apollo_01a_Summary.htm

http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/s2ch5.htm

The second link seems to say that 100% oxygen atmosphere is a lot less harmless than I would have thought. I don't know hoe the pressure factors into this, though.

 

[fuelair]

Dr. Phd

Um, wrong. Most medical research, including the kind that got my wife her PhD, is done by people with MD and PhD degrees, if that's what you mean. If you just mean a PhD using the title "Dr", I would again disagree. Anyone with a PhD in any field (at least from an accredited university) is entitled to use the title "Dr".

With no offense, entitled is not the same as used indiscriminitly: the usage complained about is not the choice of Dr. Robert Quimby over Robert Quimby, PhD either is quite correct - the second is more informative though. However, Dr. Robert Quimby, PhD looks and is silly and makes the person reasonably under suspicion of being a fake (although the only person I know who does it somehow manages not to realize what people around [no data just in case] him/her think about it - particularly considering he/she is royally incompetant).

 

[Anacoluthon64]

The second link seems to say that 100% oxygen atmosphere is a lot less harmless than I would have thought. I don't know hoe the pressure factors into this, though.

To be precise, it is the partial pressure of oxygen that is the deciding factor; the partial pressure is essentially the fraction of the total (absolute) pressure contributed by the constituent of interest. At sea level, the partial pressure of oxygen in ordinary air is about 0.21 bar - you can calculate the value by multiplying the total absolute gas pressure by the volumetric concentration value, in this case 1 bar times 21 % = 1 x 0.21 = 0.21.

When the partial pressure of oxygen exceeds about 1.8 bar (absolute pressure), O₂ begins being toxic. Divers using oxygen-enriched air (volumetric O₂ concentrations up to about 40 per cent) need to take this into account when planning a dive. Ultra-deep divers use mixtures, usually of helium (which is totally inert) and oxygen where the volumetric O₂ concentration can be as low as half a per cent, depending on the working depth. You would asphyxiate on such a mixture at normal barometric pressure.

'Luthon64

 

[Meffy]

That helium-oxygen mixture has interesting implications for voice communication among divers. I recall hearing some amusing recordings from back in the Sealab days. :-}

 

[Anacoluthon64]

That helium-oxygen mixture has interesting implications for voice communication among divers. I recall hearing some amusing recordings from back in the Sealab days. :-}

Actually, the Mickey Mouse/Donald Duck effect decreases as the absolute pressure of the heliox mixture increases because the speed of sound varies with the density of the medium it travels through. At great pressure, the heliox mixture's density is far greater than at normal atmospheric pressure, and a person speaking will sound close to normal.

'Luthon64

 

[Meffy]

*nod* Sealab wasn't terribly far down IIRC. *googles* Ah, after discarding masses of cartoon references I find the figure 192 feet. Thank you, U.S. Navy! I guess that is pretty deep.

 

[Anacoluthon64]

*nod* Sealab wasn't terribly far down IIRC. *googles* Ah, after discarding masses of cartoon references I find the figure 192 feet.

That's shallow enough to dive on ordinary air if needs be, although plenty of decompression stops would be essential for any useful bottom time. For that depth, the best (i.e. optimally balanced in terms of cost and bottom time) option would be a tri-mix, which is a mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and helium.

ETA: My, how we get sidetracked by the littlest things...

ETA #2: On second thoughts, without prior acclimatisation to that depth on air, one would be pretty wasted courtesy of nitrogen narcosis. The rule is that each 30 feet is about equivalent to a vodka martini's worth of incapacity. Our intrepid diver will be inebriated to the tune of more than six vodka martinis, and therefore be able to do little more than feel the world go 'round quite a bit faster and in unexpected directions than it should.

'Luthon64

 

[Meffy]

ETA: My, how we get sidetracked by the littlest things...

I've never found the road to learning to be straight or easily followed. To paraphrase Zork, "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all different."

 

[Bronze Dog]

I can't speak to the science, it's beyond my knowledge. I will just note that it is somewhat suspicious when the doctors website contains phrases like "Organized Medicine launched a fifty-year, unlimited assault aimed at discrediting Dr. Koch’s reputation" , "Dr. Koch endured such extensive persecution in regard to his science" and "Organized Medicine developed an extensive propaganda campaign". These phrases prove nothing either way... it's just funny how persecuted many "alternative" theorists are.

And it shows in my bank account. It's expensive to pay off every doctor in the world multiple times to keep quiet about all the discoveries.

 

[SimonJ1966]

Thanks all for the alternate info your links pointed to.

The ice is now broken on the topic with him. I will see if his own research makes him reconsider his trust in the product. I am expecting to be disappointed, but you just never know!!!

BTW - If you throw a dose of a homeopathic remedy into a swimming pool, does that mean your sitting on a super potent gold mine of homeopathic preperation, ready for market?

 

[Anacoluthon64]

I will see if his own research makes him reconsider his trust in the product. I am expecting to be disappointed, but you just never know!!!

I would think that the FTC's lawsuit over false medical claims would give your mate the most compelling reason to rethink his take on this product.

BTW - If you throw a dose of a homeopathic remedy into a swimming pool, does that mean your sitting on a super potent gold mine of homeopathic preperation, ready for market?

Not necessarily. If you omit the potentisation and succussion steps in preparing a homeopathic nostrum, it simply won't work as medicine. Also, you would need to know the precise volumes of remedy and swimming pool so that the correct potency (i.e. dilution ratio) can be calculated, and therefore the dosage can be correctly specified. You see, that is how homeopaths and their proponents protect their woo, and why drinking a small amount of sea water has nil effect other than a horrible taste in your mouth. By rights, you should turn into someone like Superman.

'Luthon64