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Merged Summing up the evidence against Controlled Demolition

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I wish to distinguish "lack of evidence" from "evidence against". Lack of evidence simply means just that: there is no evidence something is true. Evidence against means that and more: there is actually evidence that the same something is false.

For instance, a claim that aliens live underneath the surface of Mars could be described as having a lack of evidence. However, if you claim that those same aliens live above the surface of mars, there is now not only a lack of evidence, there is now evidence against their existence (in the form of satellite photos of the surface of Mars that show something that contradicts the claim, in this case nothing but empty red desert).

Okay, okay, I'm sure you can all find ways to nitpick my example to death, but hopefully you all understand the distinction I'm trying to make.

We conspiracy skeptics tend to say that "there is no evidence for controlled demolition of the WTC". In fact, we are understating things; it is even better than that. There is actually evidence against controlled demolition. In this thread, I would like to sum up all of that evidence.


No sounds of demolition: By its very nature, an explosive device powerful enough to cut through the structural steel of a 110-story building is going to produce a heck of an air pressure wave that should be clearly audible to anyone anywhere near the event. Dozens of audio and video recording devices were present at the scene; not one of these recordings picked up anything remotely similar to the sounds of a highrise demolition. The best Truthers can come up with are occassional, sparse, nondescript sounds that only a tiny handful of eyewitnesses heard, and that no recording devices picked up. These findings are not consistent with a controlled demolition, which would produce a series of extremely loud, clearly distinct blasts audible to all within a great distance and with a frequency akin to a semi-automatic pistol. Therefore, there was no demolition.

No seismic recordings: By its very nature, an explosive device powerful enough to cut through the structural steel of a 110-story building is also going to create powerful ground vibrations. The demolitions company, Protec, had several portable field seismographs in the vicinity at the time of the collapses. Protec notes that these seismographs did not detect any spikes consistent with explosive blasts. A true demolition would have produced several such spikes; therefore, there was no demolition.

No explosives found in the rubble: Demolitions require a number of implements to be placed inside the building, such as detcord--not to mention the explosives themselves. Over time, the entire rubble pile was cleaned up. The remains of such implements would have been found had they existed. No remains of demolition equipment or explosives were ever found in the rubble; therefore, they did not exist, and consequently there was no demolition.



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No visual signs of CD: Explosions large enough to bring down a building are not only heard and felt, they are also seen. I did not see any demolition charges exploding on 9/11.
 
No materials brought into the demolition that would be used for a controlled demolition (including the massive amounts of heavy cloth and possibly chain link that would be used to encase where the explosives were placed as well as the floors on which the explosives would be).

No reports of excessive wiring in the building on the floors on which the explosives would be and no evidence of explosive testing on any parts in the bulding beforehand.

(I don't usually get into these debates, but I just thought I'd mention these since I opened the thread unintentionally).
 
We conspiracy skeptics tend to say that "there is no evidence for controlled demolition of the WTC". In fact, we are understating things; it is even better than that. There is actually evidence against controlled demolition. In this thread, I would like to sum up all of that evidence.


No sounds of demolition: By its very nature, an explosive device powerful enough to cut through the structural steel of a 110-story building is going to produce a heck of an air pressure wave that should be clearly audible to anyone anywhere near the event. Dozens of audio and video recording devices were present at the scene; not one of these recordings picked up anything remotely similar to the sounds of a highrise demolition. The best Truthers can come up with are occassional, sparse, nondescript sounds that only a tiny handful of eyewitnesses heard, and that no recording devices picked up. These findings are not consistent with a controlled demolition, which would produce a series of extremely loud, clearly distinct blasts audible to all within a great distance and with a frequency akin to a semi-automatic pistol. Therefore, there was no demolition.

No seismic recordings: By its very nature, an explosive device powerful enough to cut through the structural steel of a 110-story building is also going to create powerful ground vibrations. The demolitions company, Protec, had several portable field seismographs in the vicinity at the time of the collapses. Protec notes that these seismographs did not detect any spikes consistent with explosive blasts. A true demolition would have produced several such spikes; therefore, there was no demolition.

No explosives found in the rubble: Demolitions require a number of implements to be placed inside the building, such as detcord--not to mention the explosives themselves. Over time, the entire rubble pile was cleaned up. The remains of such implements would have been found had they existed. No remains of demolition equipment or explosives were ever found in the rubble; therefore, they did not exist, and consequently there was no demolition.

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Assuming 911 was an inside job-
Wouldnt they try to minimize the demolition sounds? There are controlled demolitions with minimal sounds.
How would you expect the govt to show you detcords IF they are part of the plan?
 
Assuming 911 was an inside job-
Wouldnt they try to minimize the demolition sounds? There are controlled demolitions with minimal sounds.
- examples?

How would you expect the govt to show you detcords IF they are part of the plan?
- I would expect to be shown them by the non-governmental rescue workers/firemen who found such hypothetical items.
 
Assuming 911 was an inside job-
Wouldnt they try to minimize the demolition sounds? There are controlled demolitions with minimal sounds.
How would you expect the govt to show you detcords IF they are part of the plan?

1. Explosives go "boom". Unless they were using da sekrit silent Thermite. The only way to make a quiet CD, is to use little to no explosive.

Given there is no need to be "quiet" in traditional CD, I doubt there has been much (although I am sure some) development of "hushaboom" type explosives.

2. Finding no detcords, if 9/11 was an inside job, implies that all those searching the rubble, all those on the pile, either (A) found no detcords, or (B) are in on the conspiracy.

TAM;)
 
One only finds what one is looking for.

Yes when I'm working on the rubble pile of a destroyed building and find det cord and evidence of explosives everywhere I just ignore it too. I mean it couldn't possibly be relevant right?
 
Yes when I'm working on the rubble pile of a destroyed building and find det cord and evidence of explosives everywhere I just ignore it too. I mean it couldn't possibly be relevant right?

Your reply is only valid if we assume det cord and evidence of explosives are obvious among tons and tons of destroyed office material.

Investigators overlook evidence frequently, only finding it upon a second, third, fourth, etc, look.
 
Your reply is only valid if we assume det cord and evidence of explosives are obvious among tons and tons of destroyed office material.

Investigators overlook evidence frequently, only finding it upon a second, third, fourth, etc, look.

25 city, state and federal agencies worked 1.7 million workers hours sorting through debris at Fresh Kills over a 10 month period of time. 14 private contracting companies were also hired.

Why did not one of these thousands of people ever find anything even the slightest bit suspicious?
 
25 city, state and federal agencies worked 1.7 million workers hours sorting through debris at Fresh Kills over a 10 month period of time. 14 private contracting companies were also hired.

Why did not one of these thousands of people ever find anything even the slightest bit suspicious?

Good question, but it is hard to support a negative.
 
Your reply is only valid if we assume det cord and evidence of explosives are obvious among tons and tons of destroyed office material.

Investigators overlook evidence frequently, only finding it upon a second, third, fourth, etc, look.

Walk around any site where there has been demolition and there will be loads of detcord. You have to look for it to avoid tripping on it.

In addition, there are the copper bands that are put on charges that are all over the place. As well as the wood boxes, but those might be overlooked.

Detcord being overlooked? Fat chance.
 
Detcord being overlooked? Fat chance.

Unless Sizzler wants to say that the people working at the clean up and the rescue efforts are in on it... Because the site got from this, to this, so at some point, people must have found evidence of explosives. They had to.

Siz?
 
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Unless Sizzler wants to say that the people working at the clean up and the rescue efforts are in on it... Because the site got from this, to this, so at some point, people must have found evidence of explosives. They had to.

Siz?

In all known CDs the buildings have been gutted. Thus, det cord and other things associated with a CD would be easy to see.

However, the WTC was not gutted. Assuming for a moment that it was CD'ed, I don't find it far fetched to believe that det cord and other CD materials would be overlooked amongst several tons of office material, including all kinds of wires and metal pieces from all kinds of normal office material.

It is as faulty of logic to assume that det chord, etc would be found and identified as it is to assume that the hijacked planes would have been intercepted or the pentagon video would have captured at least a single image of the incoming plane. I forget which logical fallacy it is exactly but I think you get the point.
 
Plenty of eyewitnesses report sounds of explosions and some even compare them to demolitions.
None were anywhere near as loud as actual demo charges, and actual demo charges aren't nearly as loud nor as powerful as the ridiculous amount of explosives truthers propose - explosives so powerful they pulverize an acre of concrete and send tons of material flying hundreds of feet.

There is no evidence at all for explosives.
 
I don't find it far fetched to believe that det cord and other CD materials would be overlooked amongst several tons of office material, including all kinds of wires and metal pieces from all kinds of normal office material.

Why do you assume that those people sorting to the debris would overlook it? You might be intrested in this site which details the recovery:

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibits/longterm/wtc/

They didn't find it because it wasn't there.
 
In all known CDs the buildings have been gutted. Thus, det cord and other things associated with a CD would be easy to see.

However, the WTC was not gutted.

Then the logical conclusion is that it wasn't CDed, right?
 

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