Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

smartcooky said:
....and yet again, you dodge the questions put to you. Its is clear to everyone here that you are avoiding answering these AND providing evidence other than your own UNSUPPORTED ASSERTIONS to support your answers

So, I will ask the questions again (and add eerok's suggestions)

1. What prevents atmosphere from spilling over the sides of your flat earth

2. What creates the earth's time zones

3. Why does the Sun not vanish to a point if it doesn't set.

4. What causes the air density gradient.

5. How does your "electric dipole" keep objects on the Earth's surface.

6. In the Northern Hemisphere the Sun appears to travel clockwise (i.e when the sun is at its highest, at local noon, it is due South). In the Southern Hemisphere outside the Tropics and Antarctic Circle, the Sun appears to travel anticlockwise, so at local noon, the Sun is due North. Explain this.

7. Why doesn't the angular diameter of the Sun follow expectations?

8. Why can we not see more of the Moon than we currently provably do?

9. Why do the lunar phases appear inverted in the Southern hemisphere?

10. What causes a lunar eclipse!

11. Why do the stars rotate in different directions by hemisphere
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Ah excellent selection of questions! One suspects they will be ignored, dismissed, denied and certainly NOT answered....lol
 
Aww did he fwounce? Shame - let's see if he returns.

As Daniel is reluctant to go to original sources of photographs and relies on internet copies, here are a couple for him to chew over.

These two are taken by Gemini astronauts in orbit around the Earth:

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and are taken from my own copy of "Earth photographs from Gemini VI through XII published in 1968. I also have the companion volume for Gemini I-V.

Here's another nice one from 'This Island Earth', published in 1970:

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It's one of a series taken by Apollo 11 on the way to the moon (a series that can be strung together to make a series showing Earth rotating, and which I have already posted here). It's an interesting photo because the same view of Earth was broadcast on live TV, and photographs of that broadcast appeared on the next day's front pages. I have an original copy of the wire photo used, dated, and also a book containing colour versions of that TV view published in 1969.

The really interesting feature is the one off the west coast of the US: Hurricane Bernice, a storm whose development is well documented and shown in weather satellite images.

I see a nice spherical Earth in hard copy photographs dating from the 1960s. What does Daniel see I wonder?
 
Actually, for the attetion-seeker "flat earth" is ideal:Always sure to get a rise, and the argunents are so bizarre that they almost can't be addressed rationally.

Hans
 
BasqueArch said:
It's not a great circle. The map is a parallel lines 2D projection of a 3D tapering globe. The longitude globe lines actually converge at the South pole. The straight flight path follows the curved surface of the globe and appears curved itself.

There are fewer longitude lines to the west vs. east to Sydney, therefore shortest path across the Pacific. Other web sites confirm the distance.
This grid is parallel 2D, the flight paths 3D projected onto the 2D.

http://openflights.org/demo/openflights-routedb-2048.png


This is a more accurate map than the FE of the world :
http://www.imaginaryatlas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ny.jpg

The surface area of N America is much larger than S America, not like the FE map that has it reversed. The Flat earth plate- UN map is a foreshortened map with the wrong surface areas. You can see the continents out of scale distortions. Funny that the distorted Flat E maps have globe-based unequal circular latitude lines and splayed longitudes.
http://www.relativelyinteresting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/modern+flat+earth+map.png
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I'm sorry, but does this mean that the "due west" heading you mentioned is really an artifact of the 2D map discussed above, and in the real world, of course one does not head due west for the shortest path?

I think that's what you're saying above, but it's a little unclear. Thanks.
 
phiwum said:
I'm sorry, but does this mean that the "due west" heading you mentioned is really an artifact of the 2D map discussed above, and in the real world, of course one does not head due west for the shortest path?

I think that's what you're saying above, but it's a little unclear. Thanks.
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It is called the Great Circle Route. In brief, it is the shortest distance between two points on a sphere.

Example.

On flat Earth, this seems a rather odd thing to do. However, every airline and air force does exactly that to save fuel. Lots of it. Flat earthers must therefore claim that all airlines, air forces, pilots, ground personnel etc. perforce must be in on the conspiracy to cover up the flat earth.

ETA: Put another way, if one were at the north pole or the south pole, which direction is west?
 
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phiwum said:
I'm sorry, but does this mean that the "due west" heading you mentioned is really an artifact of the 2D map discussed above, and in the real world, of course one does not head due west for the shortest path?
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That's right. Note that longitude lines do represent shortest paths, and so heading due north or due south does make sense. But how close the shortest path is to due east or due west will depend on how close one is to the equator.
 
AdamSK said:
That's right. Note that longitude lines do represent shortest paths, and so heading due north or due south does make sense. But how close the shortest path is to due east or due west will depend on how close one is to the equator.
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True. West is really only truly west at the equator. At the poles, west and east are meaningless. From the south pole, the only direction is north and vice versa. Anywhere between poles and equator will be some approximation in between.
 
phiwum said:
I'm sorry, but does this mean that the "due west" heading you mentioned is really an artifact of the 2D map discussed above, and in the real world, of course one does not head due west for the shortest path?

I think that's what you're saying above, but it's a little unclear. Thanks.
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BA - “The shortest distance from Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia is due West on the Southern Hemisphere. 7058 miles.”
From Santiago (Chile) to Sydney (Australia) is due west. If you fly east from Santiago to Sydney, the distance is longer. I should have used the proper way to indicate the relative direction in lower case.

The important point here is that on a Flat Earth map, the shortest distance between Santiago and Sydney is ~17,500 mi. heading towards the North Pole On a globe map the distance is ~7,058 mi.

On Quantas, to fly nonstop from Santiago to Sydney takes 16.5 hours or less at ~428 mph, flying ~ 7,058 mi. due west from Santiago. Or east from Sydney.

This confirms that the global map of the world is right and the FE map wrong. There’s no two ways about it. This is irrefutable except to the irrationals.

All the other proper science objections to FE are correct, but since these people claim that gravity is a hoax and the earth is 6,000 years old there’s not much hope convincing the scientific illiterate beyond 3 rd grade math.

After reading my previous post on this thread Dave ran away yet is still claiming the earth is flat on another thread.


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I get into my fully fuelled fictional aeroplane capable of flying anywhere in the world on one tank of fuel and I take off from Wellington Airport.

I can pick ANY random direction and fly in that direction without turning, and I will end up in Spain. That can only happen on Globe earth, and cannot happen on Flat Earth.
 
smartcooky said:
I get into my fully fuelled fictional aeroplane capable of flying anywhere in the world on one tank of fuel and I take off from Wellington Airport.

I can pick ANY random direction and fly in that direction without turning, and I will end up in Spain. That can only happen on Globe earth, and cannot happen on Flat Earth.
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I refer you to post #813.

I pointed out that the Sun appears to travel anticlockwise in the Southern Hemisphere and Clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere, and his response was to question whether I thought the Sun rose in the West in the Northern Hemisphere.


I recall you making a similar point, but there are so many failures of fact and reason in Daniels posts about this, that I'm guessing he's just having a laugh - though why someone would want to seem like an idiot is a bit beyond me.
 
phiwum said:
I'm sorry, but does this mean that the "due west" heading you mentioned is really an artifact of the 2D map discussed above, and in the real world, of course one does not head due west for the shortest path?

I think that's what you're saying above, but it's a little unclear. Thanks.
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phiwum, thanks for the question. I hope my answer clarified my main point.
Also it was Daniel, not Dave that ran away.

6,000 year old earth and Pi. Is this anti-science FE also religious thing?
We should put the value of Pi up for a global vote and settle it once and for all.
 
jimbob said:
I refer you to post #813.

I pointed out that the Sun appears to travel anticlockwise in the Southern Hemisphere and Clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere, and his response was to question whether I thought the Sun rose in the West in the Northern Hemisphere.


I recall you making a similar point, but there are so many failures of fact and reason in Daniels posts about this, that I'm guessing he's just having a laugh - though why someone would want to seem like an idiot is a bit beyond me.
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A few years back there was a guy from Australia who was living in South Carolina on business for about a year. He was an amateur astronomer and attended our local astronomy club's meetings for a while. He said it was his first time in the northern hemisphere and that it still felt weird to him to see the stars revolve around the northern sky in the "wrong" direction and to see new constellations while being unable to see others that he'd grown up with.

I wonder if the zetetic cosmology cult is predominantly a northern hemisphere thing. I'm sure there are some nutters in the southern hemisphere who buy into it, but it's got to be a harder sell where you can actually see the stars turning around the southern sky. But then the geometry that disproves the flat-earth is pretty glaringly obvious from anywhere.
 
AcesHigh said:
I have just come across the new Flat Earther trend... to say the number Pi is a conspiracy of Luciferians

Pi = 3
http://flatearthtruth.freeforums.net/thread/317/fooled-pi

plenty of other sources. Just google Pi Flat Earth...

it seems they can´t reach a consensus of course (as with all conspiracy theories)

Some of them say Pi = 3

Others that Pi = 4
http://www.flatearth.tk/flat-earth-math-update-to-pi4/
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Again, this is the sort of thing that it so easy to work out with common household items that I am left staggered by the abject stupidity of some people.
 
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