Nakani
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Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!
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Factually Incorrect, No 'Assumptions' necessary; I KNOW the Earth is Flat...
1. Flight: Since the Earth is, as we're TOLD, a Sphere 25,000 miles in circumference ---radius 3959 miles, then Pilots traveling @ a typical cruising speed of 500 mph --- to simply maintain altitude, would constantly have to adjust their altitude downwards, (to Compensate for the Curvature) and descend 2,777 feet over half a mile every minute !!!
500 miles2 x 8 inches/12 inches = 166,666 Feet of curvature ---Total Drop needed in one hour to Maintain Altitude.
flatearthwiki.com/index.php?title=Earth%27s_Curvature (AutoCAD 2015)
166,666 feet/60 minutes = 2777 feet per minute altitude descent to Maintain Altitude.
A flippin Roller Coaster would be placid serenity in comparison. The nose of the plane on a typical flight would never get above horizontal, save for takeoff.
2. nasa and FAA agree...
"nasa" filing reports for flying in a "stationary atmosphere over a flat, nonrotating earth"...
"Concluding Remarks:
This report derives and defines a set of linearized system matrices for a rigid aircraft of constant mass, flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat, nonrotating earth."
NASA Reference Publication 1207, 1988.
Duke, E.L. et al: Derivation and Definition of a Linear Aircraft Model: Ames Research Center Dryden Flight Research Facility National Aeronautics and Space Administration Edwards, California, January 8, 1987; pg. 30
ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890005752.pdf
Why would "nasa" sponsor/FUND a 100 page report (including appendices) regarding flying in a stationary atmosphere over a FLAT, nonrotating earth if we live on a "Spinning Ball" pray tell??
What's next, a 150 page report flying a rigid aircraft of constant mass over a wobbling Dodecahedron ?
FAA:
Please Explain why the FAA is discussing (FLAT EARTH) in: ASSESSING THE VALIDITY OF USING ACTUAL NAVIGATION PERFORMANCE (ANP) INFORMATION FOR SUPPORTING DESIGNATED FLIGHT INSPECTION OPERATIONS; TECHNICAL MEMORANDUM OU/AEC 08-12TM15689/0004-1, pg. 32 & 33
www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/avn/flightinspection/onlineinformation/pdf/TM_08-12_AVN_ANP_Final_Report.pdf
3. Navy Rail Gun: "Projectile" travels @ 5,600 mph (Mach 7!!)...
"The 6-inch guns that the Navy currently uses have a range of 15 miles; the 16-inch guns of World War II had a range of 24 miles, and could penetrate 30 feet of concrete. The 38-foot railgun, though, has a range of 125 miles, five times the impact, and can shoot through seven steel plates."
rare.us/story/the-navy-just-unveiled-the-first-video-of-their-new-railgun-in-action-and-it-is-awesome/
This is a "Line of Sight" (LOS) Weapon. With a more than 'Generous' Deck/Rail Height of 100 Feet above Sea Level, a target @ 125 miles on our 'alleged' "Spinning Ball" with a radius of 3959 miles will be hidden behind 8476 Feet (1.6 MILES!) of Water/Earth Curvature!
The Horizon @ 100 ft elevation is @ 12.25 Miles.
The 'Bulge' height is 2604 feet.
Target Hidden Height is 8,476 feet.
Calculator: www.metabunk.org/curve/
Ergo, Please explain how a Non Self Propelled "Projectile" ( A "BULLET") can negotiate a "Bulge Height" of 2604 feet (ascent then descent) traveling @ Mach 7 (lol) and hit a target that's hidden behind 8,476 feet of curvature without violating every Ballistics/Physical Law (and common sense) known to mankind ....?
Non-Sequitur Fallacy: There is no "Scientific Theory" of a circular Earth. Scientific Theories EXPLAIN "The How" (Mechanisms/Process).
And "Mathematics" aren't TESTS. If so, what's the Independent Variable...the color of the calculator...?
Yes it surely does. Can you explain this...
"Salar de Uyuni [Bolivia] is the world's largest salt flat at 10,582 square kilometers (4,086 sq mi).... The Salar was formed as a result of transformations between several prehistoric lakes. It is covered by a few meters of salt crust, which has an extraordinary flatness with the average altitude variations within one meter over the entire area of the Salar....The large area, clear skies, and the exceptional flatness of the surface make the Salar an ideal object for calibrating the altimeters of Earth observation satellites.[4][5][6][7]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salar_de_Uyuni
"The salar de Uyuni in the Bolivian Andes is the largest salt flat on Earth, exhibiting less than 1 m of vertical relief over an area of 9000 km2" ..."Longer wavelengths in the DEM [Digital Elevation Model] correlate well with mapped gravity, suggesting a connection between broad-scale salar topography and the geoid similar to that seen over the oceans."
Borsa A. A., et al: Topography of the salar de Uyuni, Bolivia from kinematic GPS; Geophysical Journal International Volume 172, Issue 1, p. 31-40
gji.oxfordjournals.org/content/172/1/31.full
1. From North to South, Salar de Uyuni [Bolivia] is 68.44 miles -- which ='s 3123.24 Feet of Curvature. That's a bit more than 1 meter...it's 951 METERS !!!
Salar Flooding:
"The depth of inundation is quite variable from year to year, with the surface remaining nearly dry in some years and completely flooded for several months in others."
Borsa A. A., et al: Modeling the topography of the salar de Uyuni, Bolivia, as an equipotential surface of Earth’s gravity field; Journal of Geophysical Research, Vol. 113, B10408, doi:10.1029/2007JB005445, 2008
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2007JB005445/pdf
2. You do understand that liquids (water) "flow", right? How on Earth can the Salar be completely flooded (For Several Months!!), "A Mirror" of standing water on a Ball...Magic Water? Or is it your contention that "Nature" created a Leveled Straight Edge that spans 10,000 sq km's on a Ball ???
You can have many Topographical Features on a "Sphere": Mountains, Depressions, Ridges, Saddles ect ect...but what you can't have are Geometrically Flat Planes!!!
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thedopefishlives
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Though because of the minute angles involved, the trigonometry is exceptionally sensitive to decimal places. I discovered this after playing around with the precision on some figures and discovering the answer computed varied widely based on a few thousandths of a degree. That may be due to my derivation, perhaps there are other methods of calculation that are less sensitive to error.
a debunking of Flat Earth based on southern and northern hemisphere stars.
https://chizzlewit.wordpress.com/2014/04/26/flat-earth-theory-and-the-pole-stars-conundum/
https://chizzlewit.wordpress.com/2014/04/26/flat-earth-theory-and-the-pole-stars-conundum/
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Laughably inept - you do know that Jesus cries when he see's a supposed Christian breaking the 9th commandant (for Protestants 8 for Catholics)
LOL
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Why not?
I'm quite intrigued how a "Spinning Ball" earther, Sun 93 million miles away, Radius 400+ thousand miles 'believer', can explain this...
Turn out the lights there 'jimbob'
Nakani
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I'm quite intrigued how a "Spinning Ball" earther, Sun 93 million miles away, Radius 400+ thousand miles 'believer', can explain this...
[qimg]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/jstunja/Sun%20Hot%20Spot_zpsq345yfpk.jpg[/qimg]
Turn out the lights there 'jimbob'
I'm quite intrigued by your use of a picture taken from space that shows the curvature of the earth to promote flat earth nonsense. But I digress.
If you look at the picture you will notice that the clouds are not all the same. The bright spot is a portion of clouds with a uniform surface that reflects the light. Whoop dee do.
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Probably like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearths..._is_this_explained_by_the_round_earth_theory/
By pointing out obvious facts like
and yet, just 4 months ago you were telling us that you believed the Earth was spherical.
stop being a slippery weasel and answer!
another copy/paste from Flat Earth websites.
http://www.askcaptainlim.com/flying...own-to-follow-the-curvature-of-the-earth.html
gravity pulls the airplane all the time, all over the airplane, keeping it always parallel to the tangent of the sphere.
now, did you know that ROCKETS fly horizontal while still in the atmosphere? It´s their very high speed that makes they gain altitude, even while flying horizontal.
ALREADY ANSWERED GOD DAMNIT!!
Pay attention to the thread instead of reposting the damn same question again!
already answered hundreds of times in this thread. Really, I like this forum, but moderators should just ban or suspend this kind of trolls who have the same questions answered to them 50 times in a thread and simply ignore the answers!
1 - the 1 meter difference is in RELIEF. The desert IS curved following Earth's curvature. Imagine a sphere with a center. The desert is let's say, 6600 meters from that center. Any point on that surface is 6600 meters from that center, with +1-1 meters difference (6599 or 6601 meters from the center). And yet, that doesn´t prevent it from being curved as the surface.
Just like a basketball vs a billiards ball. Imagine you are analizing a patch of 1x1 mm of each ball. Which one is flatter? The one in the billiards ball. The basketball is clearly much more rugged on it´s surface.
the use of the word "flat" in the case of this desert is semantics. Maybe "smoother" would be a better word.
2 - so what if it is flooded? Water follows the curvature of the Earth because of gravity. Water droplets are not flat you know.
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Why should it do that?
No, it does not change size. Not over a day.
And what have we here? The third repetition of the same silly argument. Please, Daniel, shape up.
Now, this is the problem with making stuff up as you go, Daniel: Serious inconsistencies. Earlier, you acknowledged that there is a pressure gradient; if you go up, atmospheric pressure drop off. Well you should be very silly not to acknowledge it, as it is easily shown empirically.
I think you even correctly (good, man, good!
) observed that this was due to the weight of the air column above. However, now comes trouble:That way, you already realized that in the presense of gravity, an air pressure difference can exist and does not violate entropy. ... ( BTW, if you think everything else is wrong, why do you happen to accept entropy?)
Also, of course, since the pressure on the surface of earth is finite, it follows that the hight of the air column must also be finite.
There is a nice continuous (albeit not linear) pressure gradient against gravity from 1 Bar at the surface to virtually zero some 30 miles up.
I'm breathing fine, thank you. Had a touch of cold last month, but it is all over.
It's dumb, eh?
They converge ON a point, but 150 yards is not enough to get a vanishing point. However, probably they put a wall or something down there. Your point was?
What holds you to the ground?
Oh, we don't quite know yet what is the deep down cause of gravity. Do you think things don't exist till science finds an explanation for them? So hurricanes did not exist till about 150 years ago when we discovered low pressures?
In a vacuum, yep. Might be difficult to contain the helium, but otherwise...
... You see, bouyancy also requires gravity.
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Report and use the spam complaint. Users may not repost the same material repeatedly.
the Salar de Uyumi pictures actually prove Earth is rounded
1 - Daniel uses pictures taken by SATELLITES from GoogleMaps (which is modelled over a spherical Earth map) to measure the desert
2 - the photos show mountains alone, disconnected from each other. When you verify that on GoogleEarth/GoogleMaps, the mountains are all connected at the botton. What happens in the photos is that the BASE OF THE MOUNTAINS, CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER, ARE HIDDEN BY EARTH'S CURVATURE
More one Daniel fail.
1 - Daniel uses pictures taken by SATELLITES from GoogleMaps (which is modelled over a spherical Earth map) to measure the desert
2 - the photos show mountains alone, disconnected from each other. When you verify that on GoogleEarth/GoogleMaps, the mountains are all connected at the botton. What happens in the photos is that the BASE OF THE MOUNTAINS, CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER, ARE HIDDEN BY EARTH'S CURVATURE
More one Daniel fail.
Well we're in more of the 'SHOW' genre.
1. You can see Sigma Octantis, eh? Take a Picture for us and post it tomorrow. (Please post the Date/Time/Location).
2. Well Polaris has been used for navigation for thousands of years, are you saying Sigma Octantis is it's Equivalent..?
Like your "Spinning Ball" map?
I (or nobody on this Flat Earth) can post an accurate Map.
I know.
That's so 'Objective' of you
How do you know that Professor before you even look? Ever heard of Pre-Conceived Bias??oy vey
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I'm quite intrigued how a "Spinning Ball" earther, Sun 93 million miles away, Radius 400+ thousand miles 'believer', can explain this...
[qimg]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/jstunja/Sun%20Hot%20Spot_zpsq345yfpk.jpg[/qimg]
Turn out the lights there 'jimbob'
That shows a reflection from some clouds, it doesn't explain how the sun appears to travel anticlockwise in the Southern Hemisphere and Clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere.
Yes well, I was challenged to 'de-bunk' the Flat Earth about 6 weeks ago. After I got done laughing (hysterically) I said: "No Problem" give me 5 minutes". Well that 5 minutes has come and gone, I can't "de-bunk" it: Ergo...it's Absolutely True.
1. This is Mine, I wrote it.
2. Copy and Paste, eh?
Can you share the rationale of What on Earth does 'Copy and Paste' have to do with the Veracity of the Message? Would it be better if I typed it out?
Define Non-Sequitur (Fallacy)..?
What if a Professor wrote up a lesson plan, then wrote on the board: "Protein Secondary Structure is crucial for functionality and is conferred by Functional Sequence Complexity (Primary Structure), and Hydrogen Bonding".
Then later that evening, decided to email the class the exact same text...but didn't feel like writing it out again....so merely "Copy and Pasted" from the lesson plan to the email.
Is the message in the email now COMPROMISED..because it was Copy and Pasted??
You wouldn't happen to be Pre-Law by chance?
Would the students dismiss it out of hand due to lack of credibility?
I understand though, you have no coherent SUPPORT for any position, so you're reduced to feebly conjuring inane improprieties, right?
This is Tantamount to saying: Your Case is Refuted because you: wrote it in German, submitted it on Legal Paper (wrong Stationary), used 'Word Pad" instead of "Microsoft Word", it's in Blue Ink rather than Black, used the wrong Font, Folded it, ad nauseam.
I mean, R-Ya-Kiddin me sir?
'gravity'?? LOL
Appears you missed this: www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11365069&postcount=203
What is 'gravity'...? What is it's CAUSE....?
So 'gravity' now adjusts aircraft altitude???
You must be a Pilot.Can it make Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches also?
Yes and Anna Nicole married for Love and Pol Pot was her Florist.
Now it's answered 100 Times, eh?
Well of course, you (and your cohorts) have been thoroughly embarrassed here. This is your only recourse.
I thought it was Hundred Times? Which is it?
Yes, I know.
Ahhh, no it's not. If it was, then it would show curvature (drop in Elevation) which it clearly does not...
"The salar de Uyuni in the Bolivian Andes is the largest salt flat on Earth, exhibiting less than 1 m of vertical relief over an area of 9000 km2" ..."Longer wavelengths in the DEM [Digital Elevation Model] correlate well with mapped gravity, suggesting a connection between broad-scale salar topography and the geoid similar to that seen over the oceans."
Borsa A. A., et al: Topography of the salar de Uyuni, Bolivia from kinematic GPS; Geophysical Journal International Volume 172, Issue 1, p. 31-40
gji.oxfordjournals.org/content/172/1/31.full
Is there something here that's particularly confusing for you?
So the Salar is an example of a Flat surface on a Sphere, eh?
oh brother
Yea, you just clumsily introduced The 'semantics'.
Well contact "Borsa A. A., et al" and have them change it. Report back with the substance of the conversation...?
Yes, and peanut butter sticks to bread because of duccolslopelgerts.
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I'm getting a new appreciation for the phrase "not even wrong." The curvature of the earth does not drop elevation. That's just not how that works. Elevation is with the curvature, not some imaginary flat plain that the curvature is compared against.
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What?? It's called a 'Hot Spot' like shining a Spot Light CLOSE to a Surface. How on Earth can you have a Concentrated 'Hot Spot' from a Sun supposedly 93 Million Miles away?
So you're saying the Sun Rises in the West and Sets in the East in the Northern Hemisphere BUT...
Rises in the East and Sets in the Wast in the Southern Hemisphere ??
And you want me to EXPLAIN this, eh? I'm sorry, that's well beyond my pay grade; it's a "Clinical" situation.
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