Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

[Daniel]

Nope, still a serious question.

It's not, you're feebly attempting to divert from the 3 Elephants in the Room...

1. Entropy
2. Coriolis Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

fyi, it's not gonna work

Are we in a scholarly situation?

Always!!

If you want more, you can look for it yourself.

Elephant Hurling (Fallacy). It's your Claim (lol). Do you understand the Concept of SUPPORTING "Specifically" what you say?

It is still a true statement either way.

Sure it is.

Regarding #2 though, airplanes and balloons don't magically lose the momentum they had on the ground simply by taking off.

They lose it quite quickly. You're obviously unfamiliar with the Coriolis Force.

In the LA to NY Flight scenario...What if the LA runway is facing west and the plane takes off in a westerly direction...then turns east? Where did it's "Alleged" 1,000 mph "momentum" go...?


Are you a "Science Denier"....?


regards

 

[Kid Eager]

I don't explain contrived "Hypothetical" scenario's. Can you explain this "Documented Occurrence" on a 'Sphere'..

Both Polaris and the Southern Cross seen @ the same time from 23.5 degrees South Latitude:
www.zaslike.com/files/zqumw2ph80a6jojd60y.jpg

The distance from the Equator to the Tropic of Capricorn (23.5 degrees South Latitude) is ~ 1630 miles. How on Earth can Polaris be seen through 319 Miles of Curvature??





I'm sorry, I don't remember posting a "Flat Earth Map"; Ergo, Straw Man (Fallacy).


regards

Wrong wrong wrongity wrong. Your reference does not support your assertion.

Would you like to recover some dignity and identify why it doesn't, or would you like me to explain it to you?

 

[frenat]

It's not, you're feebly attempting to divert from the 3 Elephants in the Room...

1. Entropy
2. Coriolis Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

fyi, it's not gonna work

Nope, still a serious question and even more obvious that you're avoiding it. Your "elephants" have been answered by others. I chose not to mention them and commented on OTHER things.

Always!!

Nope.

Sure it is.

Yep, glad you agree.

They lose it quite quickly. You're obviously unfamiliar with the Coriolis Force.

Not at all. I am aware that it is a small effect seen in LARGE weather systems.

In the LA to NY Flight scenario...What if the LA runway is facing west and the plane takes off in a westerly direction...then turns east? Where did it's "Alleged" 1,000 mph "momentum" go...?

Still has it. The velocity it had relative to the ground West is gone but its momentum WITH the ground is still there.

Are you a "Science Denier"....?

no but apparently you are.

 

[AcesHigh]

The island of Elba, from Genoa (with Elevation of Elba and of the Observer already taken into account) can be seen an incredible 125 miles away!

funny that you can also perfectly see Elba and Corsica, from Genoa, at Google Earth/GoogleMaps, which is MAPPED into a 3D sphere. You just need to get up to one of the HUNDREDS of hills around Genoa.

Genoa is quite hilly, you see

Corsica is mostly mountainous. The entire center of the island is full of mountains over 2100 meters high.All that core of Corsica can be seen from Genova as soon as you get up in one of those houses, in those small hills. From the top of the highest hills around Genoa, you can see almost all of it, from the top of the mountains to almost their base.

and guess what, this video SHOWS Corsica is being seen from the TOP of a very high mountain behind Genoa

 

[AcesHigh]

I don't explain contrived "Hypothetical" scenario's. Can you explain this "Documented Occurrence" on a 'Sphere'..

it´s not an HYPOTHETICAL scenario pal. I live in Brazil and I can see the Southern Cross every frigging clear night.

Guess what. I have friends in Australia who can ALSO see the Southern Cross every frigging night.


The only hypothetical scenario here is YOURS documented evidence, by a SINGLE ship captain, from apparently a very old document. There is no proof he really saw Polaris. There is no evidence ANYONE ever saw Polaris from the Southern Hemisphere.


You have no photo of it. Only a document talking about a THIRD person seeing it.

And yet, MILLIONS of people in the Southern Hemisphere NEVER saw Polaris.


IT'S YOUR NONSENSE that is hypothetical.

How on Earth can Polaris be seen through 319 Miles of Curvature??

it can´t. Nor has it EVER been seen from the Southern Hemisphere.

I'm sorry, I don't remember posting a "Flat Earth Map"; Ergo, Straw Man (Fallacy).

quite the contrary. It´s actually proof that the Earth isn´t flat that you CAN`T post a map. There is none. There will never be one. The fallacy here is to pretend that "because we don´t know how it is, then you can´t prove it doesn´t work"

 

[Daniel]

I never said anything about flat. Center of the globe. Following a constant altitude around a globe would not constitute a descent.

You need a course in Spherical Trig, Pronto! Why are you even discussing this?

Yes.

So you live on a Sphere... that's Flat, eh?

I used to live on the gulf coast of Florida. From the Bay/Gulf county line in Mexico Beach, FL, if you look directly South, you can see Cape San Blas.
From the beach at the water line you can see the trees on the cape but not the beach. No magnification with a telescope or binoculars will bring it into view. I've tried.

Thanks for the Anecdote. How far is it...? You heard of "Refraction", i.e., "lowering" of objects in the distance?

And this is on days with perfectly calm water as that area gets from time to time. However, if you climb up to the road about 15-20 feet up, the beach on the cape is visible. This is because the Earth is curved.

It's not, it's called "Refraction".

Let's see the Numbers....? (ALL of them)

Also demonstrated here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haFxaGiF3Pk

1. Please don't just post a "Link" and say "SEE". It strains credulity well past critical mass and on most "Actual" Science forums will get you banned faster than you can say "wiki".

Is there something here that you would like to comment on in this hour long video??


2. btw, I've seen this Buffoonery Video Before ROTFLOL. @ 15:49 They can't see the Helicopter...BUT look in the background, YOU CAN SEE THE SHORELINE!!!

It's 'Refraction" like I said.

That's 6 Miles right? This is 20.6 Miles...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSjftyME1o

That Shoreline should be hidden behind 266 feet of curvature! Explain that....?

regards

 

[Mader Levap]

How can you have a Vacuum/Near-Perfect (Outer Space) attached to a Non-Vacuum (Earth) and still retain the Properties of a Vacuum and a Non-Vacuum in the same system, simultaneously....?
(...)
So @ a minimum, How are you still breathing...?

Same force that holds down me to surface of Earth also holds down atmosphere to surface of Earth. This is why atmosphere does not runs away into vacuum.

 

[frenat]

You need a course in Spherical Trig, Pronto! Why are you even discussing this?

Please explain how a flight maintaining a constant altitude and distance from the center of the globe would constitute a descent.

So you live on a Sphere... that's Flat, eh?

Still never said flat. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Thanks for the Anecdote. How far is it...? You heard of "Refraction", i.e., "lowering" of objects in the distance?

Refraction works in the opposite direction. You want the distance then look it up on a map. I gave you all the info you need.

It's not, it's called "Refraction".

Nope. Still goes the other direction. Refraction is why more of a distant object is visible than expected.

1. Please don't just post a "Link" and say "SEE". It strains credulity well past critical mass and on most "Actual" Science forums will get you banned faster than you can say "wiki".

Tough. Are you a moderator now?

Is there something here that you would like to comment on in this hour long video??

Why do you ask when you go on to say you've seen it anyway? The relevant part is obviously right at the beginning.

2. btw, I've seen this Buffoonery Video Before ROTFLOL. @ 15:49 They can't see the Helicopter...BUT look in the background, YOU CAN SEE THE SHORELINE!!!

That's not the shoreline.

That's 6 Miles right? This is 20.6 Miles...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSjftyME1o

That Shoreline should be hidden behind 266 feet of curvature! Explain that....?

regards

Observer is at an elevated height. How can you not see that?

 

[Daniel]

it´s not an HYPOTHETICAL scenario pal. I live in Brazil and I can see the Southern Cross every frigging clear night.

Guess what. I have friends in Australia who can ALSO see the Southern Cross every frigging night.

So? Aren't Brazil and Australia in the Southern Hemisplane ??

This is like arguing/asking for an explanation why Jose can see Polaris from California and Tolsten can see the same from Berlin every night.

The only hypothetical scenario here is YOURS documented evidence, by a SINGLE ship captain, from apparently a very old document.

1. That's not 'Hypothetical', that's Eye Witness "Documented" testimony from 2 Naval Officers.

2. Appeal To Age (Fallacy).

You have no photo of it.

Well Photos can be doctored:

The Blue Marble...

Looks like somebody got a little to "Trigger Happy" with the Cloning Tool.
(Got Encyclopedic Volumes of CGI's just like...and even WORSE than this !!)

And yet, MILLIONS of people in the Southern Hemisphere NEVER saw Polaris.

Yes, Millions... and Trillions even.

It´s actually proof that the Earth isn´t flat that you CAN`T post a map. There is none.

Say what??

I don't need "A Map" to Implode your Fairytale. Your appeal is tantamount to the Judge disallowing a defendant to provide evidence for his innocence until such time as he can find a suitable replacement for the Crime!!

Do you have any substantive coherent rebuttals to my "Actual Arguments", here: www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11364725&postcount=191

You know...

1. Entropy (Vacuum/Non-Vacuum)
2. Coriolis Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

??



regards

 

[marplots]

Well Photos can be doctored:

The Blue Marble...

[qimg]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/jstunja/Clouds%20Cloning%20Tool_zps0trhaukv.jpg[/qimg]

Looks like somebody got a little to "Trigger Happy" with the Cloning Tool.
(Got Encyclopedic Volumes of CGI's just like...and even WORSE than this !!)

Can you link to such a picture on some official website so I can see for myself? I would like to check this point.

 

[Daniel]

Observer is at an elevated height. How can you not see that?

He's on the SHORELINE (!) for goodness sakes. LOL

Refraction works in the opposite direction.

"Looming" is in the opposite Direction. Other types of refraction "LOWER" objects.

I eliminated the Canard IN TOTO....Please see "Naval Rail Gun" and Flight.

You want the distance then look it up on a map. I gave you all the info you need.

Yes, I'll present "YOUR" case for "YOU" counselor.

Nope. Still goes the other direction. Refraction is why more of a distant object is visible than expected.

Factually Incorrect, as outlined above.

Why do you ask when you go on to say you've seen it anyway?

Principle and Intellectual Integrity.


Listen, come up with a Coherent Substantive Argument to SUPPORT your "Spinning Ball" or go fish.

regards

 

[AcesHigh]

So? Aren't Brazil and Australia in the Southern Hemisplane ??

This is like arguing/asking for an explanation why Jose can see Polaris from California and Tolsten can see the same from Berlin every night.





1. That's not 'Hypothetical', that's Eye Witness "Documented" testimony from 2 Naval Officers.

2. Appeal To Age (Fallacy).

Appeal to ********: fallacy
Appeal to Authority (2 naval officers): fallacy

Again, it DOES NOT MATTER that 2 naval officers saw Polaris. It's not even a first hand account.

It does not counts as testimony.


There are over 800 million people in the Southern Hemisphere who have never seen Polaris, including INNUMERABLE ship captains, astronomers, amateur astronomers and just normal people with knowledge of constellations.

NONE have ever seen Polaris. Your third hand testimony is either FRAUDULENT or result of DRUNKARDS. That you have the audacity to consider as evidence the account of TWO people when there MILLIONS of witnesses that EVERY DAY see the Southern Skies and can´t see Polaris proves that YOU are a fallacy.


Give me HUNDREDS of testimonies from ship captains and astronomers who can see Polaris from the southern hemisphere, or I will call you a liar.

Well Photos can be doctored:

The Blue Marble...

[qimg]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/jstunja/Clouds%20Cloning%20Tool_zps0trhaukv.jpg[/qimg]

Looks like somebody got a little to "Trigger Happy" with the Cloning Tool.
(Got Encyclopedic Volumes of CGI's just like...and even WORSE than this !!)

another fallacy.

don´t be RIDICULOUS.

the Blue Marble IS composed of THOUSANDS of photos. It IS doctored in the sense that it IS, and well publicised at that, an ASSEMBLAGE of thousands and thousands of photos.


Want single photos of the whole planet go to the Deep Space Climate Observatory, at Lagrange Point 1, website

here, 20 photos of the whole planet each day.
http://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/

 

[AcesHigh]

Polaris can´t seen from the southern hemisphere, or it would appear on the brazilian flag

https://flagspot.net/flags/br_astro.html
The Stars on the Brazilian Flag

Unlike the stars on the American flag, each particular star on the Brazilian flag represents one particular state. All stars are actually present in the night sky, which is depicted as if seen from above (i.e. from outside the illusory 'globe' that the night sky appears to be when seen from Earth), and positioned as they would have been on 15 November 1889 at 08:30 over Rio de Janeiro. There are 5 orders of magnitude (.30, .25, .20, .14 and .10 times 1/14 of the width of the flag respectively). These magnitudes do not directly correspond to the astronomical magnitudes, but are relative to them. (The stars are identified by color on the image to their right -- these colors do not correspond to their real color, either astronomically or on the flag)

 

[AcesHigh]

So? Aren't Brazil and Australia in the Southern Hemisplane ??

This is like arguing/asking for an explanation why Jose can see Polaris from California and Tolsten can see the same from Berlin every night.

oh dear, how difficult for a Flat Earther to understand simple concepts.

ok, you say you haven´t posted a map.

but produce ANY kind of Flat Earth map where it's possible to see the Southern Cross AT THE SAME TIME from both Australia and Brazil, when looking SOUTH at each country.

if you don´t understand why in a Flat Earth map that is not possible, you do have severe cognitive problems.

 

[Nakani]

Common Sense.

Don't be so cheap with it.

Straw Man (Fallacy); ahh, did I mention any maps?

No, that was me. The agreed(actual) distance from the southern tip of south America to Australia is about 7000 miles, 99.999% wouldn't question the extra thousands of miles not accounted for by their RE map? Are you saying that only .001 percent of travelers would notice the west coast of south and north America as they took the FE direct route to Australia?
Don't give me that straw man BS, answer the questions.

Really?? ...

[qimg]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/jstunja/The%20Wall_zpsrta1konc.jpg[/qimg]

Your pictures still show land past the cliff, this is not the edge of the world. You are debunking your own assertions, plus as a bonus you can even see the curvature of the earth in the first one.

*snipped unprovable stories from FE website*

Do you have any similar accounts from the modern era that can be found on a website not affiliated with FE propaganda?

How do you account for my claim that NOBODY has ever Measured a "Spinning Ball" rotating @ 1,000 mph, revolving around the sun @ 66,600 mph (axis 66.6 degrees from the ecliptic), with the sun traveling @ 500,000 mph around the Milky Way---which is itself moving @ 670,000,000 mph .....?

FTFY
I would chalk that up to ignorance on your part.

I suggest an Eye Appointment @ your earliest convenience.

Your picture is of mountain tops, taken from an undetermined hight. How does that prove your point? Show me shore to shore.

Yea, duh.

fascinating, please explain.

oh brother

Translation: "I got nothing else.".
Thought so.

 

[frenat]

He's on the SHORELINE (!) for goodness sakes. LOL

Not what I see.

Yes, I'll present "YOUR" case for "YOU" counselor.

I gave you the information.

Listen, come up with a Coherent Substantive Argument to SUPPORT your "Spinning Ball" or go fish.

Already done. Post 212 that you ignored.

The world was proven round over 2,000 years ago. No amount of recent ignorance or trolling on the internet will ever change that fact.

 

[Daniel]

Can you link to such a picture on some official website so I can see for myself? I would like to check this point.

Yes, it's nasa.gov LOL

Download the Originals (Take Your Pick) "Plop them" in Photoshop or here if you're Lazy: regex.info/exif.cgi and let the healing begin

OR, if your REAL REAL Lazy, just sit back and enjoy...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKUxw_rFYI



regards

 

[marplots]

Yes, it's nasa.gov LOL

Download the Originals (Take Your Pick) "Plop them" in Photoshop or here if you're Lazy: regex.info/exif.cgi and let the healing begin

OR, if your REAL REAL Lazy, just sit back and enjoy...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QKUxw_rFYI



regards

Ok, I went to nasa.gov and downloaded a picture. (http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/iotd.html) I'm not seeing the same duplications.

Does this mean the earth is round?

 

[Daniel]

Translation: "I got nothing else."

oy vey... How bout these: www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11364725&postcount=191

For now :

1. Entropy (Vacuum/Non-Vacuum)
2. Coriolis Force
3. Naval Rail Gun

Remember ?? Until you get past these, it's kinda nonsensical to discuss anything else --- i.e., they're barely palpable background noise.

regards

 

[abaddon]

So? Aren't Brazil and Australia in the Southern Hemisplane ??

This is like arguing/asking for an explanation why Jose can see Polaris from California and Tolsten can see the same from Berlin every night.

Because both California and Berlin are in the northern hemisphere.

Neither of them can see the southern cross.

How many Australians can see Polaris?

1. That's not 'Hypothetical', that's Eye Witness "Documented" testimony from 2 Naval Officers.

A letter to the editor from a crank in 1862 is the best you have?

It is to laugh.

2. Appeal To Age (Fallacy).

Well Photos can be doctored:

The Blue Marble...

[qimg]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/jstunja/Clouds%20Cloning%20Tool_zps0trhaukv.jpg[/qimg]

Looks like somebody got a little to "Trigger Happy" with the Cloning Tool.
(Got Encyclopedic Volumes of CGI's just like...and even WORSE than this !!)

That is a mosaic. Didn't you know that? Do you even know what mosaics are? Or why they are required?

Yes, Millions... and Trillions even.

And why have those millions never seen Polaris?

Say what??

I don't need "A Map" to Implode your Fairytale. Your appeal is tantamount to the Judge disallowing a defendant to provide evidence for his innocence until such time as he can find a suitable replacement for the Crime!!

Why can you not produce a valid map? Should be easy for you.

Do you have any substantive coherent rebuttals to my "Actual Arguments", here: www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11364725&postcount=191

You know...

1. Entropy (Vacuum/Non-Vacuum)
2. Coriolis Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

??

You have been given plenty, you just ignore them. Now, you are going to demand they be given yet again as though that never happened. Sorry, nobody can make you read what has been freely given, nor can you demand it be given again having refused to read it.