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Subconsciousness and Humanity.

A speculation regarding Human Subconsciousnesss in relation to Human Life on Earth.

No ones personal reality is a fair representation of what is actually real.

The only way to get a good overview of our shared reality is to examine Human systems as the Whole System.

Consciousness and thus Subconsciousness rides upon the wave of Human life, and in this manner, survives Individual Human death.

One estimate suggests that there about 250,000 - 300,000 people die per day.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_a_day

Another estimate suggests that there are approximately 370,000 babies born every day worldwide.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_babies_are_born_every_day_in_the_world

This is the truest way to understand what is occurring on this planet in relation to Human Beings and the ideas which flow through their individual lives as they congregate into groups/corporations according to their self identity/bias and how those ideas live on through the prowess of Subconsciousness in utilizing Human Consciousness.

Human Consciousness is most influenced and therefore directed by Subconciousness and it is therefore motivated by this unseen thing which decides the direction Humanity will move in kind.

While Subconsciousness has a great influence upon Consciousness, the influence is not absolute because Consciousness effectively has the final say as far as the individual goes.

This is not to say that Individual Consciousness cannot connect in a far more defined way with the Subconsciousness .
In doing so the individual can discover a better overview of where Human Subconciousness is moving toward and support that initiative consciously.

Suconsciousness is able to work with and through the almost natural self suppression of Consciousness and still reach its great objective in relation to the Universe.

There are preferred paths but Subconsciousness cannot or will not interfere with the personal identity and choice of the Individual Consciousness.

This means that bad things will happen but that even these bad things are a valuable resource for Subconsciousness because they allow for good things to be created counteracting the bad.

Ultimately though, this does not mean that 7 Billion people (and counting) are going to altogether suddenly change the way they work and play together, and that wars will cease and Utopia built.

Building Utopia is within the realm of Human Possibility and like everything else, the Subconsciousness is quiet able to provide the overall insight on how this can be achieved – at present though the Human condition is still rather fragmented although this too is changing as more and more individuals, groups and corporations learn how to connect their ideas with preservation and the need to nurture the planet (nest) at the fore of their agenda – in the fore of their minds.

Sometimes this is not so obvious to the Individual – because their personal reality does not leave much - if any – room in which to observe the Big Picture, due to their own chosen belief systems and accompanying bias, their urge to cling to notions based on conspiracies and saviours, their commitment to patriotism, gender, race, particular politics and sciences, etc.

It is through the sciences where Subconsciousness makes its biggest impression and patterns of life are measured as part of the efforts of Consciousness becoming enlightened, even be that may, there are still arguments as to which ‘science’ serves the most ‘good’ – each has a part to play in this unfolding collective reality known to us as ‘Life On Earth’ in relation to all Consciousness.

There is no part in Human history where Subconsciousness has not been the driving force of Consciousness, even through the darkest of times, and the evilest of systems – regardless of the politics, the religions, the criminals and the conjuring, dark times are simply ignorant of the greater purpose and agenda of Subconsciousess and its relationship with Individual Human Consciousness, and The Collective Human Conscious Reality.

This speculation is based on the clues available, from many varieties of sources.
 
No ones personal reality is a fair representation of what is actually real.

Doesn't this negate everything that follows?

No.

My personal reality, like yours, does not represent all our combined realities.

The approximate rate of birth and death per day is good enough even if an individual does not wish to agree.
Understanding the relevance of that data in relation to how Consciousness and Subconsciousness survives individuals dying by employing the newly born as a means of 'riding the wave of Humanity...

or as I said in the OP:

Consciousness and thus Subconsciousness rides upon the wave of Human life, and in this manner, survives Individual Human death.

One estimate suggests that there about 250,000 - 300,000 people die per day.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_a_day

Another estimate suggests that there are approximately 370,000 babies born every day worldwide.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_b...y_in_the_world

This is the truest way to understand what is occurring on this planet in relation to Human Beings and the ideas which flow through their individual lives as they congregate into groups/corporations according to their self identity/bias and how those ideas live on through the prowess of Subconsciousness in utilizing Human Consciousness.


It is not personal opinion, but variable fact. It has, is and will continue to work this way into the future...
 
No ones personal reality is a fair representation of what is actually real.



No.

My personal reality, like yours, does not represent all our combined realities.

The approximate rate of birth and death per day is good enough even if an individual does not wish to agree.
Understanding the relevance of that data in relation to how Consciousness and Subconsciousness survives individuals dying by employing the newly born as a means of 'riding the wave of Humanity...

or as I said in the OP:

Consciousness and thus Subconsciousness rides upon the wave of Human life, and in this manner, survives Individual Human death.

One estimate suggests that there about 250,000 - 300,000 people die per day.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_a_day

Another estimate suggests that there are approximately 370,000 babies born every day worldwide.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_b...y_in_the_world

This is the truest way to understand what is occurring on this planet in relation to Human Beings and the ideas which flow through their individual lives as they congregate into groups/corporations according to their self identity/bias and how those ideas live on through the prowess of Subconsciousness in utilizing Human Consciousness.


It is not personal opinion, but variable fact. It has, is and will continue to work this way into the future...

I'm still having a hard time with the apparent contradiction between:
"It is not a personal opinion, but verifiable fact" on the one hand, and:
"No ones personal reality is a fair representation of what is actually real." on the other.

Aren't you saying your personal reality, by way of gathering facts, has somehow transcended your own personal reality? Who's reality are you talking about if not the one you actually hold as true?

Are you saying, instead, that one's own personal experiences do not capture the larger picture? Or do you mean that somehow the far side of the moon isn't real if you've never been there?

Can we work on the assumption that there's only one reality and different viewpoints instead?
 
Can we work on the assumption that there's only one reality and different viewpoints instead?

That is a given and what I have said too.

But reality is not about viewpoints.

And where Human Consciousness is being taken by Human Subconsciousness in relation to Humanity and the future is not dependent upon individual viewpoints.

Individual viewpoints die with the individual.
 
While Subconsciousness has a great influence upon Consciousness, the influence is not absolute because Consciousness effectively has the final say as far as the individual goes.
Not necessarily. The consciousness plays little or no active role in the vast majority of our individual activities.

There are preferred paths but Subconsciousness cannot or will not interfere with the personal identity and choice of the Individual Consciousness.
Don't follow this at all - the subconscious is a major part of personal identity.
 
Sounds suspiciously like yet another variation of Solipsism to me....

On Yahoo Answers, the (mostly) young folks that post in the "philosophy" section all seem to be really taken with variations of this notion, and the "we generate reality with our minds" stuff.
I submit that this must be one of the first "big ideas" that youngsters are exposed to when they first encounter the basics of philosophy, and it must make a big impression on them.

I often point out the quote made by some scientific wag..."What did the universe look like when there was nothing more evolved than a sea slug?"
We seem to have trouble accepting that we are just slightly-brainier primates that happened to evolve enough smarts to pose questions like this.
 
I often point out the quote made by some scientific wag..."What did the universe look like when there was nothing more evolved than a sea slug?"

It was very wet and a bit salty.

You might as well ask, "What did the universe look like before we discovered the multiverse, Heaven, and multi-dimensional aliens?" Well, it looked like it does now...
 
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To the extent you're saying that it's valuable to learn how many different social groups view the world (be they religion, gender, nationality, age, etc.), I agree with you.

To the extent you're saying anything else, um, no.
 
Subconsciousness and Humanity.

A speculation regarding Human Subconsciousnesss in relation to Human Life on Earth.

No ones personal reality is a fair representation of what is actually real.

The only way to get a good overview of our shared reality is to examine Human systems as the Whole System.

Consciousness and thus Subconsciousness rides upon the wave of Human life, and in this manner, survives Individual Human death.

One estimate suggests that there about 250,000 - 300,000 people die per day.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_a_day

Another estimate suggests that there are approximately 370,000 babies born every day worldwide.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_babies_are_born_every_day_in_the_world

This is the truest way to understand what is occurring on this planet in relation to Human Beings and the ideas which flow through their individual lives as they congregate into groups/corporations according to their self identity/bias and how those ideas live on through the prowess of Subconsciousness in utilizing Human Consciousness.

Human Consciousness is most influenced and therefore directed by Subconciousness and it is therefore motivated by this unseen thing which decides the direction Humanity will move in kind.

While Subconsciousness has a great influence upon Consciousness, the influence is not absolute because Consciousness effectively has the final say as far as the individual goes.

This is not to say that Individual Consciousness cannot connect in a far more defined way with the Subconsciousness .
In doing so the individual can discover a better overview of where Human Subconciousness is moving toward and support that initiative consciously.

Suconsciousness is able to work with and through the almost natural self suppression of Consciousness and still reach its great objective in relation to the Universe.

There are preferred paths but Subconsciousness cannot or will not interfere with the personal identity and choice of the Individual Consciousness.

This means that bad things will happen but that even these bad things are a valuable resource for Subconsciousness because they allow for good things to be created counteracting the bad.

Ultimately though, this does not mean that 7 Billion people (and counting) are going to altogether suddenly change the way they work and play together, and that wars will cease and Utopia built.

Building Utopia is within the realm of Human Possibility and like everything else, the Subconsciousness is quiet able to provide the overall insight on how this can be achieved – at present though the Human condition is still rather fragmented although this too is changing as more and more individuals, groups and corporations learn how to connect their ideas with preservation and the need to nurture the planet (nest) at the fore of their agenda – in the fore of their minds.

Sometimes this is not so obvious to the Individual – because their personal reality does not leave much - if any – room in which to observe the Big Picture, due to their own chosen belief systems and accompanying bias, their urge to cling to notions based on conspiracies and saviours, their commitment to patriotism, gender, race, particular politics and sciences, etc.

It is through the sciences where Subconsciousness makes its biggest impression and patterns of life are measured as part of the efforts of Consciousness becoming enlightened, even be that may, there are still arguments as to which ‘science’ serves the most ‘good’ – each has a part to play in this unfolding collective reality known to us as ‘Life On Earth’ in relation to all Consciousness.

There is no part in Human history where Subconsciousness has not been the driving force of Consciousness, even through the darkest of times, and the evilest of systems – regardless of the politics, the religions, the criminals and the conjuring, dark times are simply ignorant of the greater purpose and agenda of Subconsciousess and its relationship with Individual Human Consciousness, and The Collective Human Conscious Reality.

This speculation is based on the clues available, from many varieties of sources.

I see, Subconsciousness works in mysterious ways.
 
Not necessarily. The consciousness plays little or no active role in the vast majority of our individual activities.


Don't follow this at all - the subconscious is a major part of personal identity.

But he's talkin' 'bout Subconsciousness.

ETA: a rule of woo:

When you capitalize a word it can mean whatever you want it to mean.
 
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Are you saying that what I am saying is not verifiable as fact?

Yup, I would 'subconscious' and 'consciousness' are bucket terms with no real palpable meaning.
Subconscious is abused even more than consciousness.

And so perhaps some clearer boundaries (in word usage) and examples would be understandable to others.
 
That is a given and what I have said too.

But reality is not about viewpoints.

And where Human Consciousness is being taken by Human Subconsciousness in relation to Humanity and the future is not dependent upon individual viewpoints.

Individual viewpoints die with the individual.

Human Subconsciousness does Not Exist, it is a metaphor at best so your sentence might as well say:

And where Human Consciousness is being taken by Homer Simpson in relation to Nerverland and the future is not dependent upon individual viewpoints.
 
Not necessarily. The consciousness plays little or no active role in the vast majority of our individual activities.

Do you think that the consciousness is like a puppet in relation to Subconsciousness?
Can you give some examples please.

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There are preferred paths but Subconsciousness cannot or will not interfere with the personal identity and choice of the Individual Consciousness.

Don't follow this at all - the subconscious is a major part of personal identity.

I would say it something like this.
“The Subconsciousness is a minor part of the personal identity of the Consciousness, but this isn’t necessarily recognised by the Conscious aspect as being the case.”
The major part of personal identity is derived from other consciousnesses which influence newly forming Consciousnesses.
I would also say:
“The Subconsciousness has its own identity independent of what the Consciousness chooses to see itself as being.”
 
What did the universe look like when there was nothing more evolved than a sea slug?"
We seem to have trouble accepting that we are just slightly-brainier primates that happened to evolve enough smarts to pose questions like this.

As sure as we are able to pose questions, we are equally able to formulate possible answers.
We have the smarts.
Sometimes we may have trouble of accepting this.
We are also remarkably different in form than the sea slug which is an advantage as far as Subconsciousness is concerned in relation to its purpose in this Universe.
A huge advantage.
 
I see, Subconsciousness works in mysterious ways.

In relation to Consciousness yes – this is in fact why it is being investigated through various scientific method.

This is not to say of course that Consciousness cannot penetrate that mystery. It is and will continue to do so.
 
Yup, I would 'subconscious' and 'consciousness' are bucket terms with no real palpable meaning.
Subconscious is abused even more than consciousness.

And so perhaps some clearer boundaries (in word usage) and examples would be understandable to others.

Well this really only highlights the bias. We have seen this already in other threads.

“What is Spirituality?”
“What is Prayer?”
“What is Magic?”
“What is Childish Fantasy?”

In all cases so far, no consensus has been reached.

In relation to this thread OP, the viewpoint is not about the individual and their personal bias on “what is__________” – the focus is on the overall view in relation to Susbconsciousness through Human History and present day and future focus, all of which are in evidence.
That evidence produces a clear indicative picture of where Suconsciousness is taking itself using the Human Form as a stepping stone.

This can even be taken to a probable ‘end game’ in relation to all subconsciousness in the Galaxy and Universe which has similar opportunity to use biological form to create for itself machine form.

It can be argued now that this will never happen, but regardless of whether it can or cannot, Subconsciousness is making a go at it.

There is far and wide enough evidence to support this as actually happening – a progress in the making, with a particular purpose and reason in mind.
 
Human Subconsciousness does Not Exist, it is a metaphor at best...

Yet, it appears necessary otherwise everything falls down without it. That is why it is used as such. Science is not studying a metaphor but a real thing.

I say it certainly does exist as more than a metaphor, but is simply not at all well understood very well by Consciousness.

I know this because it can be communicated with and give account of itself anyway.
 

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