Stubborn Fundy

[Kochanski]

I would say Christians have a right to be condfident because no matter what happens God is faithful. Oh and by the way the Muslims Allah isn't the same God. Jesus is real and personal, Mohammad just another phony! You can tell the difference if you are open to the truth. Jesus Saves!

And how do you know? How do you know that the Muslim view of god is not correct? Or the views of Buddists or Hindus? Or any one of oh so many religions man has created on this world of ours? How do you know that you aren't completely and utterly wrong, that there is no god at all? What are you going on beyond the words in a very old book written by men? How do you know it is not all their delusions that you are following? Do you have proof of any god?

Stop preaching and give proof.

Don't mean to derail gypsey's thread but kk does present an excellent example of the fundy mentality

 

[wolfgirl]

In an open letter to President George Bush, Ahmadi-nejad invited Bush to become a Muslim; then later said in an interview, "Those who refuse to accept an invitation to good will (to follow Islam) will not have a good ending or fate."

There has been widespread disagreement about whether the part of the letter you're referring to was a call for Bush to convert to Islam or whether it was simply his calling on their shared faith in God as a means to establish dialogue.

You don't see president Bush making that kind of threat.

No, Bush (I refuse to call him president; he's not MY president) doesn't make threats, he just goes right ahead and starts wars...

Oh and by the way the Muslims Allah isn't the same God. Jesus is real and personal, Mohammad just another phony!

Muslims do recognize Jesus, but they just don't think he's the son of God, just one of many prophets.

 

[wolfgirl]

"Those who refuse to accept an invitation to good will (to follow Islam) will not have a good ending or fate."

He sounds just like you!

Zep, good catch! That is exactly what kk says to us all the time, isn't it? "Those who refuse to accept an invitation to good will (to follow Christianity) will not have a good ending or fate." She's always telling us that if we don't accept whatever it is Jesus is supposed to be offering us, we will suffer in hell for eternity.

kk is Ahmadinejad!!!

 

[kurious_kathy]

There has been widespread disagreement about whether the part of the letter you're referring to was a call for Bush to convert to Islam or whether it was simply his calling on their shared faith in God as a means to establish dialogue. No, Bush (I refuse to call him president; he's not MY president) doesn't make threats, he just goes right ahead and starts wars...
Muslims do recognize Jesus, but they just don't think he's the son of God, just one of many prophets.

Oh pleeeeeas wg don't tell me you are going to defend the bad guy. He makes threats all the time to the US. Some people will not pull there heads out of the sand even when the truth is obvious. Iran can't wait to nuke the US so wake up!

 

[Zep]

Oh pleeeeeas wg don't tell me you are going to defend the bad guy. He makes threats all the time to the US. Some people will not pull there heads out of the sand even when the truth is obvious. Iran can't wait to nuke the US so wake up!

You're totally dippy, aren't you! A looney of the first water!

Seriously, please explain how Iran is going to nuke the USA. Given that they don't have the weapons, they don't have the rockets, they don't even have the planes to do it. Do you think they are going to send these non-existent nukes by email, perhaps? Your answer will be fascinating, I'm sure!

 

[wolfgirl]

Oh pleeeeeas wg don't tell me you are going to defend the bad guy. He makes threats all the time to the US. Some people will not pull there heads out of the sand even when the truth is obvious. Iran can't wait to nuke the US so wake up!

Excuse me, but how exactly is Iran going to nuke us when they don't have nukes? We, on the other hand, do have nukes and are the only country who has ever used them on another country's civilian population. And we have been fairly openly threatening Iran for a while now. So don't give me that juvenile "good guy, bad guy" nonsense. Regardless of what I may think of Ahmadinejad, I know that Bush is an as-shole of the highest ranking.

I'm not sure how anything I said was "defending the bad guy," by the way I simply said that there is disagreement about the meaning of his letter. You, however, choose to simply believe whatever your preacher and your husband told you it meant.

 

[Babylon Sister]

Oh pleeeeeas wg don't tell me you are going to defend the bad guy. He makes threats all the time to the US. Some people will not pull there heads out of the sand even when the truth is obvious. Iran can't wait to nuke the US so wake up!

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

 

[joobz]

Oh pleeeeeas wg don't tell me you are going to defend the bad guy. He makes threats all the time to the US. Some people will not pull there heads out of the sand even when the truth is obvious. Iran can't wait to nuke the US so wake up!

I too do not trust Iran's government. Ahmadinejad is definitely using Bush's idiotic policies to shore up his control. the sad thing is, Iran's people were/are close to being democratic. We can't help them now, because of our poor image there. So, there is no chance of helping encourage a democracy there for some time. I think Bush's policies are beyond moronic and we'll be paying for them for years to come. And to think, he won his second term because so many people hated the idea of gays marrying. It saddens me how far out of wack people's priorities are.

BTW, wolfgirl is correct, in that Muslims do respect Jesus as a prophet. Your utter rejection of islam without knowing it is further evidence that you possess all the personality trait requirments that the islamic terrorists possess.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

Iran can't wait to nuke the US so wake up!

With what?

While I don't doubt that Iran wants nuclear weapons, they have no means to deliver them to North America. No ICBMs. No long range bombers. No ballistic missile subs.

How are the Iranians going to nuke the United States? Have a flock of swallows carry the warheads? (If so, African or European swallows?)

 

[Madalch]

With what?

While I don't doubt that Iran wants nuclear weapons, they have no means to deliver them to North America. No ICBMs. No long range bombers. No ballistic missile subs.

How are the Iranians going to nuke the United States? Have a flock of swallows carry the warheads?

Now, it's entirely possible that if they had a nuke, they could put it in a shipping container and smuggle it into some port (hey it worked in that Schwarzenegger movie True Lies, right?). However, if they did that, they would succeed in taking out one major city. Out of about a hundred.

This would be a major blow to the USA, but it would not disable the American military. Said military would be able to drop one nuclear bomb on every city in Iran without significantly diminishing its arsenal. The entire Middle East would be flat, black, and glowing in the dark before CNN figured out what had happened in whatever American city had been hit.

And every leader in the Middle East knows it.

So the Iranian president (I've had too much wine to even try to spell his name) wouldn't dream of nuking the USA. Ever. He's not nearly as insane as Bush would like us to believe, just as Bush isn't as stupid as he pretens to be.

 

[kerikiwi]

You don't see president Bush making that kind of threat.

I have no idea whether or not Bush makes that kind of threat, but you certainly do Kathy:
"everything outside of Christ leads to death! I'm sorry if this seems harsh to you and others here, but it's very true and the day of judgemnet is coming.

One question...If people really knew they were on their way to hell why would they choose to go there?"

And you are absolutely, spectacularly wrong when you claim that the god of the Muslims is not the same as the god of the christians: the muslim, jewish and christian gods are one and the same.

 

[l0rca]

He sounds just like you! Actually, you do.

Do a little edit and you sound just like a fundie Muslim. Don't you.

...but Mohammed scores on the rebound!

Pretty much. And I would add that since the Muslims are more spiritually reinforced in thier faith than Christians are, than Christianity must be a lie -- according to your reasoning, Katy.

(She caught the Katy, and left me a muuuuule to riiiide...)

 

[Flo]

Your utter rejection of islam without knowing it is further evidence that you possess all the personality trait requirments that the islamic terrorists possess.

Her utter rejection of any human qualities is further evidence that she possesses all the personality traits required from psychopaths, from whom fundamentalist religions everywhere recruit terrorists ...

 

[Flo]

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this image is now posted on my fridge in 8x10 size and he hasn't said anything but he is being very quiet on religion again, i also gave him the track back with a little note telling him that i didn't approve of the message it gave and that unless he wanted to really get into a discussion he should keep the tracks to himself, they have all dissapeared from the house, i guess he moved them to his vehicle,

Well done ! Keep fighting back and puting the pressure on.

thank you to everyone who responded to my whining, it really helped to clear my head and decide what to do

What whining ? That was at worst venting ...

 

[LostAngeles]

gypsey, let me just say that from what I've read you're too much of a hot s^%$ for this guy. I echo the suggestions about a lawyer. Life's too short to deal with needless crap. But if you can work it out with him and live in peace as a fundy and an agnostic, more power to you.

And as for KK and Her Jerk Version of Yahweh?

 

[CapelDodger]

So the Iranian president (I've had too much wine to even try to spell his name) wouldn't dream of nuking the USA. Ever. He's not nearly as insane as Bush would like us to believe ...

It's good to see such sense posted, even on a derail. Wossname-dinnerjacket doesn't even have control over foreign policy, all he can do is talk big, which is cheap and easy to deliver - unlike all the domestic promises he's signally fallen down on.

I don't doubt Iran wants nukes - they're looking at other people's north, south, east and west of them. Would it be more dangerous than Pakistan having them - as they do? Look at the place. A failed state, with nukes. Why no cold sweats? As if that needs to be asked ...

What's really scary is the idea of kurious_kathy's type gaining real influence in the US. It won't happen, of course. They may have thought that Bush Minor's presidency was Mission Accomplished, but they've been sorely disappointed. Turns out it was actually about oil .

 

[CapelDodger]

Her utter rejection of any human qualities is further evidence that she possesses all the personality traits required from psychopaths, from whom fundamentalist religions everywhere recruit terrorists ...

"Psychopath" is inaccurate. Some of the recruiters may be psychopaths, but they recruit from the same impressionable age-range that all cults home in on, late-teens to early-twenties. Not psychopaths, but prey. There but for the grace of our superior intellects go you or I .

 

[St_Hereticus]

he is into jack chick

I don't know if this has been posted, I haven't had time to read the whole thread, but you might enjoy this:
Jack T. Chick Parody Archive

 

[kurious_kathy]

Pretty much. And I would add that since the Muslims are more spiritually reinforced in thier faith than Christians are,)

And doesn't that concern you? To me they are th ones that are being totally deceived by Satan. Here's another little tid bit from the VOM e-letter I got yesterday...
President Ahmadi-nejad follows a radical sect of Shi'a Islam that is awaiting the return of the "12th Imam," or the "Mahdi," a figure Shi'a Muslims believe will return to earth and usher in a time of peace and justice...after Islam has taken over domination of the world. When he was mayor of Tehran, Ahmadi-nejad advocated widening the roads in order to accommodate the Mahdi's triumphant entry into the city.

Iran's people are constantly hearing the messages of the Mahdi's return; but with the help of VOM readers, they are also hearing messages about another return: the return of Jesus Christ.

I am going to order their book "Iran Desperate For God" and help the gospel message get broadcast to Iran in hopes that many desperate Muslims will still come to faith before the anti-christ deceives them even more. Here's alink to some of what Voice of the Martyrs is doing to help others get the truth of Christ...http://etools.780net.com/a/vomso/bg_vomso_wdbm_290.html

 

[Ducky]