Strikes among public sector workers begin

[Jaggy Bunnet]

The claim I am making is that generally the public sector has received lower pay for the same jobs in return for a good pension. I don't think this is controversial. If you have something which shows I am wrong lets see it.

Your claim, you prove it.

So far all the evidence says you are wrong. You don't think it is controversial in the same way a Christian doesn't think the existence of God is controversial - it is a fundamental belief not open to evidence.

 

[WildCat]

You show me the tables showing how public teachers have over the years consistently been paid more than their private counterparts.
You show me the tables showing how public lawyers have over the years consistently been paid more than their private counterparts
You show me the tables showing how public doctors have over the years consistently been paid more than their private counterparts
You show me the tables showing how public accountants have over the years consistently been paid more than their private counterparts

Remember when the claim was simply "that compensation in the public sector is increasing faster than in the private sector"?

You're quite busy moving those goalposts I see.

 

[Lothian]

Your claim, you prove it.

So far all the evidence says you are wrong. You don't think it is controversial in the same way a Christian doesn't think the existence of God is controversial - it is a fundamental belief not open to evidence.

No. So far I have made a claim, but I have never said I have any proof. You have have not got any where near showing my claim is false. But to be fair you have had a good go at distraction by trying to attack me.

I don't think I need to prove that doctor lawyers accountants and teachers in the private sector have been paid more than their public counterparts.

 

[Lothian]

Remember when the claim was simply "that compensation in the public sector is increasing faster than in the private sector"?

You're quite busy moving those goalposts I see.

increasing faster? Which post was that in? I planted my goalposts in post 12 Saying "We need a like for like basis. How much worse are the packages teachers at private schools get compared to their Public counterparts": boding relevant but not bolded in the original .

 

[leftysergeant]

Over the last two hundred years of organised labour , one fact seems to have persistently escaped the unions; The way to improve results is to improve the quality and quantity of production. Better work produces better results.

I usually translate that as "Sit down, shut up and and work harder so that the investors who own your sorry butt keep making money."

If my dustbin is not emptied, I will not be happier or healthier. Nor will I rejoice in the solidarity of the working classes. I will dump my trash by the road.
Multiply this by 65 million and ask what positive effect such strikes are likely to have.

Maybe it will wake a few people up to the factthat something is going on, like the investor class telling working people that their needs are less important than the needs of the rich.

If you don't like your job, leave. Get one that pays better or keeps you happier.
Be aware this may require more work.

Where do you get the notion that public sector employees don't work for a living, or are not productive? Arrogance gets you a pat on the back from the greedy slobs who do not want to pay tasxes, but it does not get you a better work force.

 

[The Don]

Statistics were released yesterday showing that workers in the public sector earned 7.8% more than their private sector counterparts.

Or at least that is the headline. I heard one of the statisticians interviewed and he said that it was difficult to get a true comparison because:

• Puclic sector workers are on average much older than private sector workers. Older workers are typically paid more than young workers
• Public sector workers are more highly qualified on average than private sector workers
• Many low-paid public sector jobs have now been outsourced to the private sector, leaving only the comparatively well paid jobs
• There is a much smaller wage disparity in the Public sector you you have fewer examples of a CEO on £loads and thousands of employees on £hardly-any, resulting a in low average wage

On the other hand, public sector workers with degrees are paid 5.7% less than their private sector counterparts.

The figures may also not take into account bonuses (unless they were paid in April), perquisites (like company cars) and pensions so whether they are very much use at all is debatable.

Going back to the pensions debate. Hutton never claimed that public sector pensions were too generous (in fact he was quite clear that they weren't) rather that the risk in the private sector had transferred entirely to the employee and that contributions from private sector companies had reduced considerably.

There is a "demographic time bomb" (sic) but many private sector companies are viewing this as an opportunity to reduce their costs (by reducing their pension contributions) and passing the risk onto their mainstream employees (directors on the other hand typically manage to insulate themselves by granting themselves generous tax-free pension contributions).

 

[Soapy Sam]

Where do you get the notion that public sector employees don't work for a living, or are not productive? Arrogance gets you a pat on the back from the greedy slobs who do not want to pay tasxes, but it does not get you a better work force.

I don't think your difficulty here is with "translation". I'm not sure you read what I wrote though.