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Strange fruit grows in Kasmir

a_unique_person said:
The victim isn't Jewish, so it's time to have a little joke about this grisly murder.
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Where does it say the victim wasn't Jewish?
 
Mycroft said:

It seems a new trend has been started. Now just everyone wants to get a head.
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Shocking. Why isn't this making more headlines?

And AUP, you can thank your precious islamic extremi... er, freedom fighters for desensitizing the world to decapitation tragedies like this one. Too much, too fast. Anyone in marketing will tell you the same thing.
 
a_unique_person said:
The victim isn't Jewish, so it's time to have a little joke about this grisly murder.
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The "joke" was an expression of disgust, on Mycorft's part, for the murderous perpetrators, not one of contempt for the victim.

But, of course, it was a case of Islamic violence, so you completely ignored it and are even annoyed of Mycroft for mentioning it in the first place.
 
Re: Re: Strange fruit grows in Kasmir

Shocking. Why isn't this making more headlines?

Because "Islamists being murderously violent" is as newsworthy as "dog biting man" or "sun rises in morning".
 
You know, I'm not a scholar of Islam but unless I'm mistaken the q'uran sez that vivisection or desecration of another human being is against the teachings of Mohamed.

How do these people , who are labeled "Islamic Extremists" justify their actions? How do they justify killing fellow Muslims? I'd really like to know. Especially since Islam is purported to be a religion of peace? Where is the outcry by the huge populations of the followers of Mohamed for the innocents who happen to be Muslims (or others ) that are murdered , or are collateral damage?

Anyone know?
Anyone?
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
You know, I'm not a scholar of Islam but unless I'm mistaken the q'uran sez that vivisection or desecration of another human being is against the teachings of Mohamed.

How do these people , who are labeled "Islamic Extremists" justify their actions? How do they justify killing fellow Muslims? I'd really like to know. Especially since Islam is purported to be a religion of peace? Where is the outcry by the huge populations of the followers of Mohamed for the innocents who happen to be Muslims (or others ) that are murdered , or are collateral damage?

Anyone know?
Anyone?
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Easy...Just replace "Christans" where you have Islam and the answer will come to you, I am sure....

You're a smart fellow, so I don't think I have to explain any further.
 
Easy...Just replace "Christan's" where you have Islam and the answer will come to you, I am sure....

Ahhh!Your probably right. Just how many beheadings do y'all southerners perform in the name of God these day? Damn ole' Torquemada
 
Till, Till, Till.....I had rather high hopes for you....;) :p

ANY body who kills "in the name of religion", be it Muslim, Jew, Christian, Hindi, et. al., will find some justification in their "Holy Book" to back them up. Doesn't matter about all the parts that say "Love your neighbor". ALL FAITHS have 'outs' that allows for those who are 'different' to be slaughtered--Islam is no different and no better or worse than any other religion in this respect.

THAT was what I wanted you to draw from my comments instead of the easy rebuttal....well, you young folk are rash, but I imagine you'll get around to thinking things out one of these days....:D
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
Easy...Just replace "Christan's" where you have Islam and the answer will come to you, I am sure....

Ahhh!Your probably right. Just how many beheadings do y'all southerners perform in the name of God these day? Damn ole' Torquemada
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Funny you should mention that.

My topic title “Strange Fruit” comes from an old Billie Holiday song of the same title. The lyrics borrow the poetry of Lewis Allen to evoke the images of lynchings from American history.

Southern trees bear strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze,
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.

Pastoral scene of the gallant south,
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,
Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh,
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh.

Here is fruit for the crows to pluck,
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
Here is a strange and bitter crop.

Humans are barbaric, and that's not limited to Islam. It is, however, Islam that seems to be making a special effort to draw attention to itself in today's world. From this event in Kashmir to the American bodies hung from a bridge in Iraq, to other atrocities enacted in the name of this religion, “strange fruit” ripens again in the world.

Perhaps because it is motivated by religion, the “fruit” imagery brings to mind another use of the metaphor. From the Christian New Testament, By their fruits ye shall know them...”
 
Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dreams,
I am a traveller of both time and space, to be where I have been,
Sit with elders of a gentle race, world has seldom seen,
Talk of days for which they sit and wait, All will be revealed.

Talk and songs from tongues of lilting grace, sounds caress my ears,
Not a word I heard could I relate, the story was quite clear.

WHOOA OH, WHOOA OH

All I see turns to brown, as the sun burns the ground,
And my eyes fill with sand, as I scan this wasted land,
Try'n to find, try'n to find where I've been.

Father of the storm that leaves no trace, like thoughts inside a dream,
Here's the map that led me to that place, yellow desert stream,
Like Shangri-La beneath the summer moon, I will return again,
As the desert wind floats high in June, we're moving through kashmir.

Oh father of the four winds fill my sails, cross the sea of years,
with no provisions but an open face, along the straits of fear.

WHOOA OH, WHOOA OH
 
Yes Mycroft , I was aware in fact the title refers to black people hung on trees . Love Jazz Love Billy Holiday.That whole era of music ( if I can go sideways for a sec ) Bird , Miles, Oscar Peterson ( met and talked w/ him ) Monk .. cheebus Monk. I actually played bass for Sera Vaughn and Mose Allison ( white boy ) . Art is and should always be political.

I am an engineer by trade but a musician by gift.

Yes hutch I went for the ez joke because there are people who would argue a rationalized or political position that justifies behavior that is outside of normal or acceptable. The case is exclusive of them because of a religious/racial/ethnic viewpoint

So don't let your hopes for me wither :).
 
from TillEulenspiegel:
You know, I'm not a scholar of Islam but unless I'm mistaken the q'uran sez that vivisection or desecration of another human being is against the teachings of Mohamed.

How do these people , who are labeled "Islamic Extremists" justify their actions?
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It tends to a be feature of religious fundamentalism that its followers know little about the religion. They tend to come from non-observant backgrounds (eg, bin Laden), and are recruited either in their adolescence - an age which cultists of all varieties recognise as the Harvest Years - or during some emotional crisis. People like the Pashtuns are obviously just goat-botherers from way-back, but they're not really deep into theology. Nor are the Southern Baptists, nor - dare I say it? - Kahanist settlers. The young Iraqis in Najaf that are currently boosting the Shi'ite gene pool (Darwin prizes all round, I think) aren't experts in Sharia.

The real crap has only descended on Kashmir since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the magnet thus created for Wahabbist fanatics and an available market of alienated young Muslims. In my younger days, Kashmir was a magical holiday destination where the only trouble happened on the border, often by arrangement. It was only after the ISI was effectively taken over by the Wahabbists they were supposedly using to achieve "strategic depth" in Afghanistan that the troubles in Kashmir were promoted. It's been deeply saddening watching that happen over the last couple of decades. It's so easy to split people up, and takes so long to bring them back together again. No wonder ambitious people tend to take the first option.
 
Ya CD , I knew the answer before I asked . I'm just so flummoxed that masses of people could take a relatively innocuous document and twist it into some sort of license to kill. It's not exclusive of Islam either . I just don't seem to be able to accommodate behavior that is divergent with the primary philosophy of the adherents of that "religion". I t's not exclusive of Islam either look at the Catholic Church or the the Rabbinate or the Orthodox church. Crap I donno I guess I just expect too much from apes with car keys.

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Kant and Jim Morrison were right
 
It's not exclusive of Islam either.

No, but you can't deny they're slightly overrepresented in the crowd of those who "pervert religion to justify killing".
 
from TillEulenspeigel:
Ya CD , I knew the answer before I asked .
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But I will indulge in belabouring the point. The actual religions, as they have evolved in the mainstream, aren't pathological - natural selection sees to that. Fundamentalisms are unsustainable, anti-life (as we know it), they have a brief time in the sun before succumbing to pragmatists. Buddhist terrorism one day? I'm not going to dismiss the idea. It, too, will pass.

I think most people want their religion to be a comforting presence in the background, festivals, feasts and rituals, not an excuse for mayhem. I think there'll be a backlash against the various fundamentalisms which have blighted a lot of people's lives in the last couple of decades. The future will be secular - with religion-lite for the masses.
 
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