Stormy Daniels Sues the President

[The Big Dog]

No, your claim is (or appears to be, it's hard to tell) that Mueller acted outside his authority. He passed along information to the SDNY, which pursued it on its own authority in accordance with Justice Dept. rules, and obtained search warrants after proving probable cause.

Here's the process:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mal-bar/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6ad827bf24b0

No, that was certainly not my claim, that was the claim that Seth Abramson made and as I pointed out about a million times was totally wrong.

 

[The Big Dog]

That's because your busy trying to hope everyone forgets the original premise:



It wasn't outside his appointment as you asserted.

K thx bye

Hmmm, yet they did make a referral, the decision was made by Rod J. Rosenstein and was performed by SDNY (the activities of which are TOTALLY out of mueller's jurisdiction).

Yet despite these undisputed facts you assert that it was within his jurisdiction? "Interesting" "theory."

So that is the CFR, Mueller, Rosenstein, the DA of the SDNY and TBD on one side, and you on the other.

Thumbs up, thumbs up indeed.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Short of the mark? I explained that the contract specifically incorporated the rules of the alternative dispute company that gave the arbitrator jurisdiction over the enforceability of the contract, that Stormy was challenging the contract as a whole and not the arbitration clause specifically and that even if she were to do so, that the arbitrator could have jurisdiction over that as well.

So not short of the mark at all, just comprehensive and correct.

And likely superseded by today's events

You asserted -- big difference -- and regardless of your analysis, the judge will decide some basic issues of legality before ordering arbitration. It appears you're coming around to realizing that and trying to pretend that you were right all along.

 

[The Big Dog]

You asserted -- big difference -- and regardless of your analysis, the judge will decide some basic issues of legality before ordering arbitration. It appears you're coming around to realizing that and trying to pretend that you were right all along.

I was right all along, and to the extent that you are asserting that anything I said was erroneous, it is really pretty far past the time that you show it.

By the way, the Judge should under no circumstances decide whether the contract is "illegal" while there is a criminal investigation pending.

As I have suggested before, the judge should either grant the motion to compel or stay the whole shooting match and let things play out over in the SDNY

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Hmmm, yet they did make a referral, the decision was made by Rod J. Rosenstein and was performed by SDNY (the activities of which are TOTALLY out of mueller's jurisdiction).

Yet despite these undisputed facts you assert that it was within his jurisdiction? "Interesting" "theory."

So that is the CFR, Mueller, Rosenstein, the DA of the SDNY and TBD on one side, and you on the other.

Thumbs up, thumbs up indeed.

Yes, I assert they were clearly not required make a referral SDNY , based on the scope Muellers appointment.

And yes, they chose to make a referral to SDNY.

And you have provided no evidence or argument that demonstrates otherwise.

 

[The Big Dog]

Yes, I assert they were clearly not required make a referral SDNY , based on the scope Muellers appointment.

And yes, they chose to make a referral to SDNY.

And you have provided no evidence or argument that demonstrates otherwise.

Sigh, in order to get the SDNY involved at all they had to make the referral.

Although asserting that they chose to make the referral is evidence that they had the jurisdiction anyway is sheer nonsense.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Sigh, in order to get the SDNY involved at all they had to make the referral.

Although asserting that they chose to make the referral is evidence that they had the jurisdiction anyway is sheer nonsense.

That's not what I did. Nice try at more misdirection.

 

[Joecool]

Well Stormy Daniel's ranking on a porn site I checked out is in the top 5. I'd never heard of her before this, but I don't suppose I would have. I'd say it will work out very well for her. Why else would she reveal anything about an affair from years ago? Money.

As for Trump, who do you think will care about any of this aside from the people who already hate him? A billionaire had an affair years ago with a porn star and possibly a lot of other women...shocker.

And don't think Clinton didn't silence his women as someone suggested above, he certainly did, either that or I missed the Broderick rape trial. If it wasn't for Bill people might be a lot more shocked by Trump. Bill set the bar nice and low.

This may have mattered a few years ago. I sincerely think Trump is being attacked so much that it's just more noise. Maybe it's just me though, that's certainly possible.

Of all the crap Trump has been accused of though, screwing a porn star years before he ran for President smells of desperation more than anything. It's pathetic and I think it's funny that so many angry liberals think this matters or will change anything.

More moral highground posturing as a setup for the upcoming impeachment?

It seems like the whole thing is a stunt to gain publicity and 15 minutes of fame. The money being offered by tabloids and/or other sources must have been far more lucrative than the $130k that Stormy allegedly received as "hush" money.

My guess is that the whole thing will eventually just fade away and Stormy will have collected a small fortune from all the hype.

 

[Vixen]

You don't get a warrant to raid an attorney unless you're pretty darn sure there's criminal evidence to be had. Abramson quoted an ex-FBI agent saying he'd only seen it happen a handful of times, and each of those times that attorney went to jail.

Let's hope so, otherwise it just looks like a witch hunt.

McCarthy strikes again!

 

[Vixen]

It certainly could be.

Simple case, I agree to sell you my car, and you use your clients' funds to pay for it. My contract with you is still enforceable, of course.

Ah, but it was Cohen who was doing the selling (as an agent for Trump). So, the correct analogy is, if you agree to sell me your car and it turns out to not belong to you (perhaps the log book is fake or it belongs to your boss) then the contract is null and void.

 

[acbytesla]

It seems like the whole thing is a stunt to gain publicity and 15 minutes of fame. The money being offered by tabloids and/or other sources must have been far more lucrative than the $130k that Stormy allegedly received as "hush" money.

My guess is that the whole thing will eventually just fade away and Stormy will have collected a small fortune from all the hype.

I actually bet the opposite. Not that Trump having the affair is all that damaging, but the many payments he has made to keep things quiet. There are reportedly dozens of women that Trump has paid off. There is at least 5 that I know of wanting to get out of NDAs. Cohen is the key. He is reportedly being investigated for bank and wire fraud as well illegal campaign contributions. They are going to squeeze him.

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[The Big Dog]

Ah, but it was Cohen who was doing the selling (as an agent for Trump). So, the correct analogy is, if you agree to sell me your car and it turns out to not belong to you (perhaps the log book is fake or it belongs to your boss) then the contract is null and void.

Cohen allegedly paid the money to buy Stormy's silence and pictures and other tangible stuff

 

[Vixen]

Cohen allegedly paid the money to buy Stormy's silence and pictures and other tangible stuff

No, he was flogging a settlement in return for Stormy Daniel's silence. She was the buyer, who is now claiming she was sold a pup, and that the contract is void.

 

[The Big Dog]

No, he was flogging a settlement in return for Stormy Daniel's silence. She was the buyer, who is now claiming she was sold a pup, and that the contract is void.

That is a rather... unique... take on paying someone 130,000 dollars.

 

[Segnosaur]

I actually bet the opposite. Not that Trump having the affair is all that damaging, but the many payments he has made to keep things quiet. There are reportedly dozens of women that Trump has paid off. There is at least 5 that I know of wanting to get out of NDAs. Cohen is the key. He is reportedly being investigated for bank and wire fraud as well illegal campaign contributions. They are going to squeeze him..

I wonder if they'll also investigate some of the other potential crimes Cohen may have been involved in.

From: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article180701541.html
Cohen himself was a sometime New York real estate wheeler dealer whose companies appear to have netted as much as $20 million in profit by flipping properties to mysterious buyers. The facts surrounding one of Cohen’s ventures in particular raised red flags for several experts interviewed by McClatchy... "An all cash purchase by an LLC of an overvalued property in Manhattan is usually worth a closer look by federal investigators,” said Jaimie Nawaday, a former federal prosecutor and money laundering specialist".

Cohen has explained that the buyers were making the purchase for tax purposes (which is legitimate) but he hasn't really given any proof of that that I'm aware of.

 

[Segnosaur]

It seems like the whole thing is a stunt to gain publicity and 15 minutes of fame. The money being offered by tabloids and/or other sources must have been far more lucrative than the $130k that Stormy allegedly received as "hush" money.

My guess is that the whole thing will eventually just fade away and Stormy will have collected a small fortune from all the hype.

While the start of the Trump/Cohen issues may have started with Stormy and lucrative offers she was receiving, the issue has taken on a life of its own, far outside of whatever considerations Stormy had. Even if Stormy changed her mind, and decided to withdraw whatever legal challenges she had to the contract and retire out of the public eye, the investigations into violations of money laundering and campaign finance laws will continue. I doubt the investigators and lawyers digging into Cohen's activities will care how much Stormy Daniels can earn from media appearances.

I have to admit, I'm kind of surprised things happened as quickly as they did. Almost out of left field. Not that I don't welcome the changes.

In my opinion, Cohen is toast. At the very least he will probably be disbarred, at worst he will go to prison for at least a few months. It may not necessarily be enough to bring down Trump (although I suspect he or the republicans may have some fines to pay). And a Trusted Trump ally goes away, which Trump will not be happy about.

 

[acbytesla]

I wonder if they'll also investigate some of the other potential crimes Cohen may have been involved in.

From: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article180701541.html
Cohen himself was a sometime New York real estate wheeler dealer whose companies appear to have netted as much as $20 million in profit by flipping properties to mysterious buyers. The facts surrounding one of Cohen’s ventures in particular raised red flags for several experts interviewed by McClatchy... "An all cash purchase by an LLC of an overvalued property in Manhattan is usually worth a closer look by federal investigators,” said Jaimie Nawaday, a former federal prosecutor and money laundering specialist".

Cohen has explained that the buyers were making the purchase for tax purposes (which is legitimate) but he hasn't really given any proof of that that I'm aware of.

There some very bizarre banking irregularities involving Cohen and a Chicago bank I've read about.

 

[acbytesla]

While the start of the Trump/Cohen issues may have started with Stormy and lucrative offers she was receiving, the issue has taken on a life of its own, far outside of whatever considerations Stormy had. Even if Stormy changed her mind, and decided to withdraw whatever legal challenges she had to the contract and retire out of the public eye, the investigations into violations of money laundering and campaign finance laws will continue. I doubt the investigators and lawyers digging into Cohen's activities will care how much Stormy Daniels can earn from media appearances.

I have to admit, I'm kind of surprised things happened as quickly as they did. Almost out of left field. Not that I don't welcome the changes.

In my opinion, Cohen is toast. At the very least he will probably be disbarred, at worst he will go to prison for at least a few months. It may not necessarily be enough to bring down Trump (although I suspect he or the republicans may have some fines to pay). And a Trusted Trump ally goes away, which Trump will not be happy about.

I have to wonder if any of these potential crimes might fall under a State crime, so Trump can't just pardon Cohen.

 

[quadraginta]

Maybe, if Trump's attorney sues his attorney.

Or if his attorney gets raided by the cops.

(It could happen.)

 

[quadraginta]

When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember that your objective was to drain the swamp.

Even harder to remember when it wasn't ever really your objective to begin with.