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Stormfront Supports Ron Paul

LostAngeles said:
In any society, however, peer pressure can and will force beliefs on an individual.
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I agree. But I don't think it has to be that way.

Government should only exist to protect individuals from fraud, coercion, or force. Therefore, the only legitimate purpose of government is to maintain a military, police force, and law courts. Whenever one individual or collective attempts to initiate violence on another, government must act to protect the individual.

For example, some people believe that children are capable of consenting to sexual activity or that women are property or that we should close down the public hospitals. The society as a whole disagrees with those beliefs and cultivates an environment that is generally hostile to them.
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In a libertarian society it would be a moot point. Children are under the care of their guardians until they are adults. They cannot make rational decisions on things like alcohol, drugs, sex, etc. Nor can they drive a car or vote. However, the libertarian party strongly supports children's rights and opposes forcing beliefs on them. So, while they may be prohibited from doing certain things, they will never be forced to do things against their will.

How would a libertarian society negate or lessen the effects of peer pressure?
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By encouraging rational thinking and individual responsibility. One of life's greatest motivators is having to experience the consequences of our actions. Peer pressure is a greater problem in collectivist or tribal societies where conformity is expected and individualism eschewed.

P.S. When someone who believes that anyone, by mere accident of birth, is automatically inferior or superior, that is not a person you want in charge of a diverse group of people. A leader should strive to treat all of his subjects equally and equally well, not decide, on arbitrary grounds, that a group is unworthy.
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A leader's sole job should be to see to it that the individual is given the maximum freedom. As such, racism cannot play a role in government. Further, we shouldn't use the term "subjects" and expect leaders to "treat them well". That's a dangerous thought pattern to get into. If we see ourselves as subjects to "them" (whomever they may be), we've already lost our liberty.
 
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So, he doesn't directly cuddle up to Stormfront. He is still a frequent guest on the Alex Jones show. The two aren't that far apart.

In fact, this just goes to show him as just another politician. He's taking their money but doing an about face to gain larger support.

Oh, and by the way, the Constitution you claim to support but know nothing of actually gives the executive branch to power to deploy troops when and where they feel necessary. The legislative branch can pull funding afterwards. So, now Paul wants to ignore that little part.
 
Pardalis said:
1- I wasn't talking to you

2- I was asking about America
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I was tweaking you nose ... being the rascal in here... :blush:
And I know that you like the way I usually oppose your
claims, don't you? :)

About US-Neo-Nazis .... They usually don't vote. But the
Stormfront Banners seems to suggest that it's time to vote
in the US ...

(Nevertheless: Paul isn't a Stormfront supporter)
 
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Thank you for this ImaginalDisc. Can I assume you'll provide a list of all extremist groups and the individual candidates they support, or did you just cherry pick this one because of an agenda?
 
Oliver said:
About US-Neo-Nazis .... They usually don't vote. But the Stormfront Banners seems to suggest that it's time to vote
in the US ...
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How do you know if they vote or don't? Respectfully, I'd like an American to answer that.

I was just wondering if these people started to vote if it would make any difference?
 
Pardalis said:
How do you know if they vote or don't? Respectfully, I'd like an American to answer that.

I was just wondering if these people started to vote if it would make any difference?
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:rolleyes:

If you want to get an authentic answer - sign up and ask Stormfront... :boggled:

Why? ... Because it's their statement, not some Americans or Non-Americans
stance. Everything else is non-skeptical - and you should know that by now.
 
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G19 said:
In a libertarian society, a person is free to believe what he wishes about other races. He/she is NOT permitted to force that belief on others.

In a socialistic society, the collective forces its beliefs on individuals. Individual beliefs are validated by consensus, not reason.

Ron Paul may or may not be a racist, but it doesn't matter. He supports liberty and non-violence.
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Thanks for reminding me why I am not a Libertarian. It is a philosophy of total selfishness, in which "Looking out for #1 " becomes the highest moral law.
And Ayn Rand sucks.
 
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What part of "I am not talking to you" don't you understand?

If I have any interrogations about US affairs, you'll be the last one I'll be asking.
 
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Donal said:
So, he gives back the money?
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If he is smart,he will..and will denounce the support of groups like Stromfront.
If not, if he is willing to accept the support of groups like Stormfront, so much for "Our Last Hope For a Decent President."
 
Let's see: Oliver is constanly comparing Dubya to the Nazis but he see nothing wrong with Paul accepting the support and by that Friendship of a Neo Nazi group.Interesting.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Ron Paul isn't racist and I also find this very strange. The Stormfront folks supporting him explain their reasoning and it has nothing to do with racism and if you read those threads you'll notice that a lot of other racists say that they will NOT support him because he is not a racist.

A lot of strange sorts of people tend to be supporting Ron Paul and I don't know exactly why. I'm always driving down the street and I see vans painted with "Ron Paul 08" all over them and I always see large flags on overpasses. I saw one this morning on a train overpass that said "Revolution Ron Paul 08" or something like that.

Where are these grass roots Ron Paul supporters coming from and why are they supporting him in particular?
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Because Paul is seen an the Big Anti Establishment candidate,and they always attrace the nutcases.
Same thing happened with Perot back in 92, but Perot was smart enough to denounce the support of the more obvious nutgroups.Paul apparently is not.
 
Pardalis said:
What part of "I am not talking to you" don't you understand?

If I have any interrogations about US affairs, you'll be the last one I'll be asking.
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I fully understand, Goury. "I want an American answering that instead
the people WHO KNOW MORE THAN THE AVERAGE AMERICAN AT JREF".

You're no Skeptic even daring to ask in such a dishonest way.

dudalb said:
Let's see: Oliver is constanly comparing Dubya to the Nazis but he see nothing wrong with Paul accepting the support and by that Friendship of a Neo Nazi group.Interesting.
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Americans wouldn't even notice it. Why do I know that? Because
Germans were fooled as well - and woke up when it was too late...
 
dudalb said:
Thanks for reminding me why I am not a Libertarian. It is a philosophy of total selfishness, in which "Looking out for #1 " becomes the highest moral law.
And Ayn Rand sucks.
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If by selfish you mean, individual responsibility, then I'm all for it. In such a society you are free to be a believer as long as you don't force that belief on others. Things like morality and benevolence can also be practiced freely. In such a society no one will be forced to be selfish but socialism requires benevolence at the end of a sword regardless of the efficacy of the program or method.
 
G19 said:
If by selfish you mean, individual responsibility, then I'm all for it. In such a society you are free to be a believer as long as you don't force that belief on others. Things like morality and benevolence can also be practiced freely. In such a society no one will be forced to be selfish but socialism requires benevolence at the end of a sword regardless of the efficacy of the program or method.
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And If Socialism means the Goverment can try to take the rough edges off the capitalists system,then I am proud to be a Socialists
 
dudalb said:
And If Socialism means the Goverment can try to take the rough edges off the capitalists system,then I am proud to be a Socialists
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Socialism is an ideology based on the assumption that people cannot be trusted to think for themselves, they need rulers to look out for their best interests. As far as needing a ruler to protect us from the "rough-edges" of capitalism, I'd say that statement needs clarifying, or at least an example to determine its legitimacy.
 
Beerina said:
That southern racists solidly supported Democrats for a hundred years doesn't seem to phase anyone...
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Yeah, and they're also disgustingly indifferent to the long-standing Republican opposition to female suffrage.

Baffling, isn't it? I guess there must be some subtle difference between the past and the present of which we are both sadly unaware.

P.S: "Faze", dagnammit.
 
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