Merged Stolen Palestinian Land

gdnp said:
And you, of course, have genetic evidence that every "Jew" is directly descended from people who lived in biblical or pre-biblical Israel, and no "Arab" did?

Look, why don't you just come out and say it: Yahweh gave the land to the Jewish people, and thus we have the right to do with it as we wish, and do as we wish to any infidels living there. Isn't that what your argument comes down to?
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I believe the Quran espouses that philosophy.
 
gdnp said:
Gaza has a long Mediterranean coast. That is, a coast between international waters and Gaza. They also have airspace, and flight paths into Gazan airspace over international waters. Israel blocks ships and planes from entering Gaza through these routes, which have NOTHING to do with Israel's borders with Gaza. Why you keep harping on Israel's right to control trade over its border with Gaza is beyond me. I have stated quite clearly that they do. The blockade of the Gaza coast and of Gaza airspace, however, is an act of war equivalent to Egypt blocking Israeli shipping through the Straits of Tiran. There is no false equivalence.

Once again, feel free to argue that Israel is justified in doing this or that they are justified in maintaining their occupation of Gaza. Just don't try to claim that Israel's actions are peaceful. A state of war continues as long as Israel maintains the blockade and thus occupation.
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Gaza has no sovereign status. Gaza is a terrorist state. It has no air rights nor water rights.
 
Marc39 said:
Gaza has no sovereign status. Gaza is a terrorist state. It has no air rights nor water rights.
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it is also a place where alot innocent civilians life, or atleast try to.
 
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Marc39 said:
"Innocent" people who knowingly elected terrorists to govern them. Innocence lost?
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yes innocent !! ffs

they didnt win with 100% of the votes. so YES INNOCENT PPL; and what about kids that arent old enough to vote? I guess they are junior terrorists.

btw: do you see palestinians still as humans or are they already subhumans for you?
 
Marc39 said:
Gaza has no sovereign status. Gaza is a terrorist state. It has no air rights nor water rights.
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Well, if you say so. Who, then, has sovereignty over Gaza? I guess that would be Israel as the occupying power.
 
gdnp said:
Well, if you say so. Who, then, has sovereignty over Gaza? I guess that would be Israel as the occupying power.
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You may have missed it, Israel withdrew from Gaza several years ago. Gaza is now Jew-free. Nice, right? Who are the racists?
 
Marc39 said:
Gaza is now Jew-free.
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Evidence? I assume you've got a population study showing that there is not a single Jewish person living in Gaza, right?

I do like the subtext, though. Apparently, unless there are settlements restricted to Jews only, an area is "Jew-free."
 
Cleon said:
Evidence? I assume you've got a population study showing that there is not a single Jewish person living in Gaza, right?

I do like the subtext, though. Apparently, unless there are settlements restricted to Jews only, an area is "Jew-free."
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The Israelis exhumed the remains from the Jewish cemetaries in Gaza, so, yes, Gaza is totally Jew-free, just like Hamas dreams the whole world will be one day.
 
Marc39 said:
The Israelis exhumed the remains from the Jewish cemetaries in Gaza, so, yes, Gaza is totally Jew-free, just like Hamas dreams the whole world will be one day.
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Uh, no, even assuming that your new claim is true, it does not substantiate your original one. What the Israelis do with dead bodies has no bearing on whether there are any Jews living in Gaza*.

So I ask again: Do you have any evidence showing that there are no Jews living in Gaza?


(* Obviously, the situation becomes a bit more complicated in the case of a zombie apocalypse, but I think we can all agree that's not happening here. When it does, I'm sure it'll be the Palestinians' fault.)
 
Cleon said:
Uh, no, even assuming that your new claim is true, it does not substantiate your original one. What the Israelis do with dead bodies has no bearing on whether there are any Jews living in Gaza*.

So I ask again: Do you have any evidence showing that there are no Jews living in Gaza?


(* Obviously, the situation becomes a bit more complicated in the case of a zombie apocalypse, but I think we can all agree that's not happening here. When it does, I'm sure it'll be the Palestinians' fault.)
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On September 11, 2005, the last remaining Jews in the form of IDF troops, left Gaza.
 
Marc39 said:
On September 11, 2005, the last remaining Jews in the form of IDF troops, left Gaza.
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Yes, the IDF pulled out, but I think you will agree that "IDF troop" is not synonymous with "Jew." I'm Jewish, and never served in the IDF (nor am I likely to). The vast majority of Jews that I personally know never served in the IDF.

You'll have to trust me on this, but the IDF does not occupy Atlanta. Yet, mysteriously, we still have Jews here.

So I ask again: Do you have any evidence showing that there are no Jews living in Gaza?
 
Cleon said:
Yes, the IDF pulled out, but I think you will agree that "IDF troop" is not synonymous with "Jew." I'm Jewish, and never served in the IDF (nor am I likely to). The vast majority of Jews that I personally know never served in the IDF.

You'll have to trust me on this, but the IDF does not occupy Atlanta. Yet, mysteriously, we still have Jews here.

So I ask again: Do you have any evidence showing that there are no Jews living in Gaza?
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Do you have any evidence that there are? I'm not asking to be contrary, nor am I taking Marc39's side here as I don't agree with much of what he says, but I honestly don't know. Are there any functioning (not abandoned) synagogues, for example*? There are probably some aid-workers of Jewish ancestry. Beyond that I'm not so sure.


*please don't anyone make an obnoxious remark like "do all Jews go to synagogue?"
 
Cleon said:
Yes, the IDF pulled out, but I think you will agree that "IDF troop" is not synonymous with "Jew." I'm Jewish, and never served in the IDF (nor am I likely to). The vast majority of Jews that I personally know never served in the IDF.

You'll have to trust me on this, but the IDF does not occupy Atlanta. Yet, mysteriously, we still have Jews here.

So I ask again: Do you have any evidence showing that there are no Jews living in Gaza?
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Combining the Israeli governent indicating that the Gaza disengagement plan has been fully completed with the fact that Hamas has an official policy of murdering Jews and the IDF no longer being in Gaza to provide protection, I'm thinking that your time could be better spent pondering more worthwhile issues.
 
Slayhamlet said:
Do you have any evidence that there are?
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It's not my claim. It's his. The onus is on Marc to substantiate it.

I'm not asking to be contrary, nor am I taking Marc39's side here as I don't agree with much of what he says, but I honestly don't know. Are there any functioning (not abandoned) synagogues, for example*? There are probably some aid-workers of Jewish ancestry. Beyond that I'm not so sure.
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Truthfully, I don't know one way or the other (and neither does Marc, though he won't admit it). A Jewish friend of mine recently came back from an extended stay there, but I don't know if that "counts."

What I object to is the meme that without Jewish-only settlements, there are no Jews. The "logic" (such as it is) is that because of this, dismantling the settlements is tantamount to expelling the Jews. That's simply dishonest reasoning.
 
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