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Stephen Hawking is getting braver in his old age.

Good information. It could be helpful to know that if it's suggested by others that I take communion at a Catholic wedding or funeral, I can avoid it without causing an unpleasant scene. I wouldn't go as far as lionking did for anyone.

I was born and raised Catholic and I don't take communion if I'm at a wedding or funeral. Even Catholics aren't supposed to receive communion if they haven't practiced their religion for a while. They're supposed to go to confession first before jumping back in.

Steve S
 
I can't forget the image a saw a few years back of Hawking accepting communion from the pope. An image is worth a thousand words.

You'll forgive me if I don't take your word on this picture. Link please?

Huh? Accepting communion means nothing. I took communion at the funeral of a friend as a sign of respect, and knelt for prayer. I am an atheist.

Or am I misunderstanding you?

Why do you make baby Jesus cry?
 
You'll forgive me if I don't take your word on this picture. Link please?
I saw it on the telly. Have been Googling it. Cannot find a copy of it. Therefore it's hearsay info and I don't blame you for being skeptical.

ETA My apologies to the thread. There isn't a confirmatory image or story to be found.
 
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Now it looks like he's getting braver, and he's finally coming out with what we knew he believed all along: "The mind of God" is nothing more than a metaphor.


Surely "the mind of God" was just a reference to Newton (one of Hawking's predecessors as Lucasian Professor)?
 
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If you actually read the article quoted in the O/P (or the coverage in the Times yesterday) what he actually wrote was that "it is not necessary to invoke God". Not the same thing as a declaration of atheism. Laplace said much the same thing about 200 years ago: "Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là."
 
If you actually read the article quoted in the O/P (or the coverage in the Times yesterday) what he actually wrote was that "it is not necessary to invoke God". Not the same thing as a declaration of atheism.
For the faithful, I'm sure that taking away God's role as creator of the universe is much more devastating than denying his existence altogether.
 
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary."

"Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

Albert Einstein
 
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary."

"Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

Albert Einstein
Those two sentences actually appear consecutively in an essay called Religion and Science, and together constitute the conclusion of a very interesting paragraph:
How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no theology? In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are capable of it. We thus arrive at a conception of the relation of science to religion very different from the usual one. When one views the matter historically one is inclined to look upon science and religion as irreconcilable antagonists, and for a very obvious reason. The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events—that is, if he takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously. He has no use for the religion of fear and equally little for social or moral religion. A God who rewards and punishes is inconceivable to him for the simple reason that a man's actions are determined by necessity, external and internal, so that in God's eyes he cannot be responsible, any more than an inanimate object is responsible for the motions it goes through. Hence science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear and punishment and hope of reward after death.
I actually have a copy of The World As I See It on my bookshelf, but I was able to copy and paste the above excerpt from this website. In my paperback version, the words "We thus arrive" begin a new paragraph.
 
I hate when people used the word "GOD" as if it is just their idea of one.

Paul

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What color is God's hair? How tall is he? Does he wear boxers or briefs?

I hate when people used the word "GOD" as if it is just their idea of one.
I'm not at all sure what you're saying here. Everybody has their own idea of what the concept of "god" means, whether or not they believe any gods actually exist. We can only guess how another individual actually pictures his god, or how he assumes that you picture him, her, or it. Even a religious person who knows the Bible thoroughly and believes everything in it undoubtedly has his own personal and unique mental image of God, since the Bible is purposefully vague on the subject.

The same goes for other religious concepts such as Heaven and Hell - The words mean little more than "good place" and "bad place". Like horoscopes, the more vague you are, the more opportunity you give others to fill in the blanks with details that suit them, and the easier it is to get them to accept and embrace what you've made up.
 
While this may be the case in a Catholic church, it is not universal to all Christian churches. Some have open communion where visitors are invited to participate. At a cousin's wedding(she's a Methodist minister), an invitation to take communion was given to all guests.

Yeah, but the Methodists only use grape juice so it's totally not worth it.
 
I'm not at all sure what you're saying here.
Why, because I didn't use a thousand words or more to make a simple statement. There are main groups of so-called gods, the biggest I have to deal with comes out of the middle east. People seem to think it is a given that "GOD" means that one, and if it is broken down into what people believe. I don't have to time to go into each and everyone's idea of one.

So, here is the deal, put a label on your so-called god.

Paul

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In a word, geezzzzzzz.
 
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Why, because I didn't use a thousand words or more to make a simple statement. (?)
Actually, you seem to be unintelligible no matter how many words you use.
There are main groups of so-called gods, the biggest I have to deal with comes out of the middle east.
You have to deal with groups of gods, the biggest of which come out of the Middle East. Okay. And what exactly do you do for a living that entails this responsibility?
People seem to think it is a given that "GOD" means that one, and if it is broken down into what people believe.
"and if it is broken down into what people believe" then what? Finish your sentence.
I don't have to time to go into each and everyone's idea of one.
You don't have to time? What does that mean?

Sorry, I still have no idea what you're talking about. May I respectfully suggest that you proofread what you write and ask yourself if it makes any sense before you post it?
 
Actually, you seem to be unintelligible no matter how many words you use.
You is funny. :D


I'll see at the JREF the 29th of this month.

Paul

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Oh, that would be 2010, September, last Wednesday of the month, 7:00 PM, EDST etc etc etc

All so-called gods welcome..............
 
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I hate when people used the word "GOD" as if it is just their idea of one.

Paul

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I agree. Especially when pronounced with that breathy tone "gahhhd". I remember a nasty scene with a guy who was shouting something like "When you're on your death bed, you'll be begging god...etc" I simply asked, "which one?" I thought he was going to harm me.:)

It really seems to me that the extremists need to feel everyone around them is as loony as they are, so they use the umbrella term "god" to cover all their crazy ideas, and somehow make the leap that the other guy gets the exact same meaning. Language is so imprecise in the first place, that it is just ludicrous to think this could happen, but when a person spends all his life studying fairy tales, he may not have much time for learning "other things".
 
I'm pretty sure that the so-called god of Hawking has nothing to do with any local run-of-the-mill one, I could be wrong, but I doubt it. But the truth is that a three letter word "GOD" that can be anything to anyone brings nothing to the table for our understanding of the universe to begin with, it is a useless step and has no knowledge.

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Paul

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