Stem Cells & Healing?

[Taffer]

Whatever. May be you are right in you. This is out of topic here.

It's not off topic, because we know what you are trying to do. You are trying to link stem cells, something I don't think you quite understand, with homeopathy. We know this because of past experience showing us a pattern that seems likely you will follow.

 

[Rolfe]

Well, yeah, but I do think it might have been more fun to have played along a little, and let Kumar make the connection with homoeopathy himself, rather than jump in with the assumption and allow him to take the virtuous "that's off-topic" line.

Rolfe.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Well, yeah, but I do think it might have been more fun to have played along a little, and let Kumar make the connection with homoeopathy himself, rather than jump in with the assumption and allow him to take the virtuous "that's off-topic" line.

Rolfe.

Well, perhaps. OTOH, we've been there, done that, so many times. The interesting thing now is to force Kumar to state what IS the topic of the thread, since he keeps telling us to stay on it.

So Kumar, what about it?

The topic is. according to you, NOT homeoapthy. Fine!

Stem cell research is, still according to you, on topic, but what is it you want to know (given your previous history, I don't think you will have the luck to have some hearty person actually start a comprehensive education)?

What exactly is it you'd like to know?

Perhaps it would be a good idea if you gave a short explanation of what you have already understood. Your own words, no quotations or links.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Off-stage: What is the betting it has something to do with diabetes? You know scars and healing has already been up....

Hans

 

[Kumar]

Yes, of course they do.

Following quote suggests somewhat different:-

Tissues can either regenerate or scar. Scars (also called cicatrices) are areas of fibrous tissue (fibrosis) that replace normal skin (or other tissue) after injury or disease. A scar results from the biologic process of wound repair in the skin and other tissues of the body. Thus, scarring is a natural part of the healing process. With the exception of very minor lesions, every wound (e.g. after accident, disease, or surgery) results in some degree of scarring. An exception to this is animals with regeneration, which do not form scars and the tissue will grow back exactly as before.

Scar tissue is not identical to the tissue that it replaces and is usually of inferior functional quality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scar

In biology, an organism is said to regenerate a lost or damaged part if the part regrows so that the original function is restored. Regenerative capacity is inversely related to complexity: in general, the more complex an animal is the less regeneration it is capable of. Whereas newts, for example, can regenerate severed limbs, mammals cannot. Limb regeneration in newts occurs in two major steps, first de-differentiation of adult cells into a stem cell state similar to embryonic cells and second, development of these cells into new tissue more or less the same way it developed the first time.[1] Simpler animals like planarian have an enhanced capacity to regenerate because the adults retain clusters of stem cells within their bodies which migrate to the parts of the body that need healing then divide and differentiate to provide the required missing tissue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regeneration_(biology)

There seems to be some indications that we are progressively loosing stem cells healing mechanism(somewhat immune weakening) either naturally or unnaturally whereas those living naturally may not.

Some faint indications just to me that it can be due to decreasing exposure to natural mother earth.

 

[Kumar]

It's not off topic, because we know what you are trying to do. You are trying to link stem cells, something I don't think you quite understand, with homeopathy. We know this because of past experience showing us a pattern that seems likely you will follow.

Whatever, still i am doing.

 

[Kumar]

Well, yeah, but I do think it might have been more fun to have played along a little, and let Kumar make the connection with homoeopathy himself, rather than jump in with the assumption and allow him to take the virtuous "that's off-topic" line.

Rolfe.

Whatever, still I am doing but you are not here. I simply respect all good & new understandings--may it be from any system.

 

[Kumar]

Well, perhaps. OTOH, we've been there, done that, so many times. The interesting thing now is to force Kumar to state what IS the topic of the thread, since he keeps telling us to stay on it.

So Kumar, what about it?

The topic is. according to you, NOT homeoapthy. Fine!

Stem cell research is, still according to you, on topic, but what is it you want to know (given your previous history, I don't think you will have the luck to have some hearty person actually start a comprehensive education)?

What exactly is it you'd like to know?

Perhaps it would be a good idea if you gave a short explanation of what you have already understood. Your own words, no quotations or links.

Hans

I had already indicated in my previous post, what I want to understand and indicate.

Anyway on topic, will anything which can remove supressions benefit in enhancing stem cell system?

 

[Kumar]

Off-stage: What is the betting it has something to do with diabetes? You know scars and healing has already been up....

Hans

On many sites, it is indicative that it can benefit to diabetics where islet cells are damaged. I think, stem cells can do any type of regenaration.

In 2nd thought, whatever diseases/disorders which can be cured with stem cell therapy can express inherited or acquired stem cell system weaknesses--naturally or unnaturally. Is it not so?

May be, our many other interventions should be interfereing in proper working of this system esp. which opposes natural to us.

 

[PixyMisa]

Following quote suggests somewhat different:-

No. It just suggests that you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about.

Animals with regeneration don't necessarily form scar tissue. Worms, starfish, creatures like that. On the other hand, mammals, birds, reptiles, most amphibians and fish, absolutely do form scar tissue.

There seems to be some indications that we are progressively loosing stem cells healing mechanism(somewhat immune weakening) either naturally or unnaturally whereas those living naturally may not.

No.

Some faint indications just to me that it can be due to decreasing exposure to natural mother earth.

No.

That's just your lack of understanding of the subject and wilful self-delusion shining through.

 

[Mojo]

Anyway on topic, will anything which can remove supressions benefit in enhancing stem cell system?

Are you sure the thread is not about homoeopathy?

 

[Mojo]

Following quote suggests somewhat different:-



There seems to be some indications that we are progressively loosing stem cells healing mechanism(somewhat immune weakening) either naturally or unnaturally whereas those living naturally may not.

Some faint indications just to me that it can be due to decreasing exposure to natural mother earth.

It's talkin' 'bout regeneration.

Why don't you f-f-f-fade away?

 

[Kumar]

No. It just suggests that you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about.

Animals with regeneration don't necessarily form scar tissue. Worms, starfish, creatures like that. On the other hand, mammals, birds, reptiles, most amphibians and fish, absolutely do form scar tissue.


No.


No.

That's just your lack of understanding of the subject and wilful self-delusion shining through.

Why we are not getting regeration?

 

[Kumar]

Are you sure the thread is not about homoeopathy?

I am not sure because you try to indulge me in homeopathy. Still however, if anything relevant comes, irrespective of any system, I always try to gain from it. About homeopathy or other spritual/energetic healing systems, I am also remain bit unclear(not leave as you clain science is not yet absolute & final), if you can't trace the stimuli but I don't leave where stimuli can be traced in view of hormetic effect possibilty.

You may be right in theory but I can also be right in my practicals.

 

[Kumar]

It's talkin' 'bout regeneration.

Why don't you f-f-f-fade away?

If stem cell therapy is working, it can somewhat express that we can be bit defficient or weak in stem cells system.

 

[Kumar]

This also seems to be interesting;

From the April 2008 Scientific American Magazine | 30 comments

Regrowing Limbs: Can People Regenerate Body Parts? ( Preview )
Progress on the road to regenerating major body parts, salamander-style, could transform the treatment of amputations and major wounds
By Ken Muneoka, Manjong Han and David M. Gardiner


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The gold standard for limb regeneration is the salamander, which can grow perfect replacements for lost body parts throughout its lifetime. Understanding how can provide a road map for human limb regeneration.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=regrowing-human-limbs

Probably we may have to found lost ground.

 

[Taffer]

Why we are not getting regeration?

Because we cannot regenerate.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Why we are not getting regeration?

for the same fundamental reason as we are not getting wings.

Hans

 

[Mojo]

Why we are not getting regeration?

Because none of us is a salamander, as far as I'm aware. You may know different.

From your own link:

Indeed, this trend toward declining regenerative capacity over the course of an organism’s development is mirrored in the evolution of higher animal forms, leaving the lowly salamander as the only vertebrate still able to regrow complex body parts throughout its lifetime.

I'm not trying to cause a big s-s-s-sensation.
Just talkin' 'bout re-g-g-g-generation.

 

[Mashuna]

Because none of us is a salamander, as far as I'm aware. You may know different.

From your own link:


I'm not trying to cause a big s-s-s-sensation.
Just talkin' 'bout re-g-g-g-generation.

Hope I regenerate, before I get old.