Stem Cells & Healing?

[Kumar]

If I understand you correctly (and I'm far from sure I do), you are saying that hoemopathy and ayurvedic cures are better than modern medicine, because they do not interfere with the survival of the fittest (a concept I'm not sure your really understand, by the way). What a horribly callous idea.

So what you are saying in other words, it seems to me, is that homeopathy and ayueveda have no effect at all, since they do not disturb "nature's balance", in sharp contrast to modern medicine, which actually cures people. On that, at least, we agree.

Fittest may also need treatments to enhance healing. Moreover, what God/nature prefer that should be more important because nature kept us existed for much prolonged time. We can simply see about our children.

 

[Merlin5x5]

Stem Cells are a complicated subject, obviously.
As far as not involving anti-inflamation drugs, like NSAIDS
and Steroids, you would not do that for purely clinical reasons,
ie, trying to tell if a good or bad effect is from one or the other.
And as for trying to treat diabetes with Stem Cells,
it's a good idea, now wait 40 years.

 

[Helen]

I think you do. It isn't the first time he'd brought up the ideas of "survival of the fittest" or the "balance of nature". I'm not sure that he's properly thought it through, though.

It really is quite a horrible little idea he seems to have going on there, so I think I was hoping against hope that I was wrong Especially since it completely contradicts his belief in homeopathy...

 

[Helen]

Fittest may also need treatments to enhance healing. Moreover, what God/nature prefer that should be more important because nature kept us existed for much prolonged time. We can simply see about our children.

I do not understand your second sentence at all. Your first sentence seems to imply that only the fittest survive treatment with homeopathy. Well, you may be right there.

 

[Kumar]

Be on the topic:-

Historical shift
The average age at which the onset of puberty occurs has dropped significantly since the 1840s.[37][38][39] Researchers[who?] refer to this drop as the 'secular trend'. In every decade from 1840 to 1950 there was a drop of four months in the average age of menarche among Western European females. In Norway, girls born in 1840 had their menarche at an average age of 17 years. In France the average in 1840 was 15.3 years. In England the average in 1840 was 16.5 years. In Japan the decline happened later and was then more rapid: from 1945 to 1975 in Japan there was a drop of 11 months per decade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty

Sometime I feel, if modern life style & environment continuously hammer to stem cell system causing early maturity & compromising/resistance/suppression/tolerance of this system and also to immune system.

 

[Kumar]

Stem Cells are a complicated subject, obviously.
As far as not involving anti-inflamation drugs, like NSAIDS
and Steroids, you would not do that for purely clinical reasons,
ie, trying to tell if a good or bad effect is from one or the other.
And as for trying to treat diabetes with Stem Cells,
it's a good idea, now wait 40 years.

Thanks for reply. Yes it is a complicated subject. An injury may need both type of treatment & there should be a delicate harmony in antiinflammatory & stem cells activities as such these do not resist each other. Just look;-

Graft-versus-host disease

Graft-versus-host disease (GVHD) can happen in allogeneic transplants when the donor immune cells view the recipient's body as foreign. (The recipient's immune system has mostly been destroyed by conditioning treatment and cannot fight back.) The donor immune cells may attack certain organs, most often the skin, gastrointestinal (GI) tract, and liver...
Doctors try to prevent acute GVHD by giving drugs to lessen the immune response, such as steroids, monoclonal antibodies, methotrexate, cyclosporine, and tacrolimus. Although these help prevent serious GVHD, mild GVHD will almost always happen.

GVHD is rare in syngeneic or autologous transplant patients.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/c...n_the_Post-Transplant_Period.asp?sitearea=ETO

 

[MRC_Hans]

Be on the topic:-



Sometime I feel, if modern life style & environment continuously hammer to stem cell system causing early maturity & compromising/resistance/suppression/tolerance of this system and also to immune system.

Kumar, there IS no topic. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm no specialist in stem cells, but I can at least read and understand the texts you are referring to, and there is no relevance or consistency in what you are posting. The texts don't say what you think they say.

You have no topic, except from your old, tired nonsense.

Hans

 

[Taffer]

Sicientic fact--however a fact should be absolute and final.

Kumar, it is a fact, as far as any fact can be certain, that homeopathy does nothing. All of the studies show this. Not a single study, performed in a properly double-blinded and controlled way, shows that homeopathy works.

 

[Rolfe]

Why are you bothering? Seven years ago, five years ago maybe, there seemed some point in engaging with Kumar. I wasted many hours of my life back then that I'll never get back, trying to explain stuff to him. I looked up references, I typed stuff out of books, I did my very best.

It was a complete waste of time. He understood nothing, and flatly refused to look at any basic science texts to try to inform himself. He was only interested in looking for tiny snippets to cherry-pick to support whatever hobby-horse he was riding to homoeopathy's aid at that particular time.

Last time I pointed this out, he got cross and angry and resentful. I fully expect him to do that again. I don't care. Kumar sucks effort and commitment out of people prepared to try to help him, and gives nothing but ingratitude back. I'm done with him.

Rolfe.

ETA: Welcome to the forum, Merlin5x5!

 

[Taffer]

Yes, you're right Rolfe. I remember the last time he was here. I should know better.

 

[Kumar]

Kumar, there IS no topic. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm no specialist in stem cells, but I can at least read and understand the texts you are referring to, and there is no relevance or consistency in what you are posting. The texts don't say what you think they say.

You have no topic, except from your old, tired nonsense.

Hans

I am very well on topic. Previous quote was about bone marrow transplant. Let the others, who knows this subject, teach me something, although it is not yet well understood.

 

[Kumar]

Why are you bothering? Seven years ago, five years ago maybe, there seemed some point in engaging with Kumar. ...Rolfe.

ETA: Welcome to the forum, Merlin5x5!

Welcome, probably but mostly, you may have to be bit flexible.

Do you have any idea if untreated animals got scars esp. after small wounds.

 

[Kumar]

Somewhat relevant to add;-

Glial scar formation (gliosis) is a reactive cellular process involving astrogliosis that occurs after injury to the Central Nervous System. As with scarring in other organs and tissues, the glial scar is the body's mechanism to protect and begin the healing process in the nervous system. Although the glial scar does a good job at controlling and suppressing further physical damage, it does have important caveats to neuroregeneration. Particularly, many neuro-developmental inhibitor molecules are secreted by the cells within the scar that prevent complete physical and functional recovery of the central nervous system.

As an example, consider paralysis. After the physical injury that severs or damages the spinal cord, the formation of the glial scar partly explains why the patient is not able to fully recover functional normalcy.

Scar advantages
The ultimate function of the glial scar is to reestablish the physical and chemical integrity of the Central Nervous System. This is done by generating a barrier across the injured area that seals the nervous / non-nervous tissue boundary. This also allows for the regeneration of the selective barrier to prevent further microbial infections and spread of cellular damage. Moreover, the glial scar stimulates revascularization of blood capillaries to increase the nutritional, trophic, and metabolic support of the nervous tissue. [1]

Scar disadvantages
The glial scar unfortunately also prevents neuronal axon extensions. The central nervous system neuron's axons begin to sprout and extend across the injury site in an attempt to repair the damage. However, the scar prevents these extensions via physical and chemical means. Astrocytes are able to form a dense network of gap junctions that generates a physical barrier to axon extensions. Further, the astrocytes secrete several growth-inhibitory molecules that chemically prevent axonal extensions. Moreover, the basal membrane component is expected to generate an additional physical and chemical barrier to axonal extensions. [1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glial_scar

I am not sure, whether scar formations(compromised healing) esp. small scars occur due normal healing process or due to interventions.

 

[Kumar]

Kumar, it is a fact, as far as any fact can be certain, that homeopathy does nothing. All of the studies show this. Not a single study, performed in a properly double-blinded and controlled way, shows that homeopathy works.

Whatever. May be you are right in you. This is out of topic here.

 

[Mashuna]

Sometime I feel, if modern life style & environment continuously hammer to stem cell system causing early maturity & compromising/resistance/suppression/tolerance of this system and also to immune system.

Sometimes I feel I know what the score of a football game is going to be, and place a bet accordingly.

Sometimes I feel someone is watching me, even though there's no-one in the room.

 

[PixyMisa]

How you know when you are unable to tell about stem cells?

Ask a meaningful question about stem cells, and we can answer you.

But no matter what question you ask, homeopathy does not work. It's been tested. It does not work.

 

[PixyMisa]

Fittest may also need treatments to enhance healing.

Sure. But if those treatments are homeopathic, they'll be the deadest, not the fittest.

Moreover, what God

There's no God either.

nature prefer

And nature doesn't "prefer" anything.

that should be more important because nature kept us existed for much prolonged time.

You mean, we survived.

We can simply see about our children.

By giving them real medicine when they are sick.

 

[PixyMisa]

Be on the topic:-

Sometime I feel, if modern life style & environment continuously hammer to stem cell system causing early maturity & compromising/resistance/suppression/tolerance of this system and also to immune system.

Completely the opposite. The declining age at menarche is the result of improved health and nutrition. This is most clearly demonstrated in post-WWII Japan.

 

[PixyMisa]

Thanks for reply. Yes it is a complicated subject. An injury may need both type of treatment & there should be a delicate harmony in antiinflammatory & stem cells activities as such these do not resist each other. Just look;-

No, you look. They're talking about transplants.

 

[PixyMisa]

Welcome, probably but mostly, you may have to be bit flexible.

Do you have any idea if untreated animals got scars esp. after small wounds.

Yes, of course they do.