Steel shipped to China...

dc1971

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Maybe a Truther could answer this...

Why is it important to explain that the steel from the World Trade Center was cut into smaller sections and shipped off overseas to China and other foreign countries?

I have read (red) some truther blogs where the explanation is that the steel was shipped off to China RIGHT AWAY! This is not true, of course, because the steel was stored at Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island for a period of time. Some of the steel was later stored in a hangar that became property of New York and New Jersey Port Authority. (link)

However, there is the question of what happened to the rest of the steel and it's possible that some it might have been recycled, or reused. And yes, a good portion of that steel most likely got shipped overseas...

...SO WHAT?
 
At the time there was a lot of non truther sources critical of the movement overseas of the majority of the steel. As was explained the local scrap merchants wanted no part of, even though it was vitually being given away.

They were concerned of the emotional impact of working with the material and the consequences of claims they might make profit from such a calamity
 
MG1962 said:
At the time there was a lot of non truther sources critical of the movement overseas of the majority of the steel. As was explained the local scrap merchants wanted no part of, even though it was vitually being given away.

They were concerned of the emotional impact of working with the material and the consequences of claims they might make profit from such a calamity
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I guess my question is geared more towards the whole need for a conspiracy. In other words, what I get out of their "steel to China" argument is that it was shipped therefore that proves an inside job. Maybe a truther could clarify this for me?
 
The impression I get from truthers that use the claim is that since 9/11 was a criminal act, all the steel (at least the stuff that wasn't dustified, of course) should have been retained as evidence for the investigation... and tested for the magical incendiary/explosive/incendiary super-duper-ultra-mega-nano-therm*te, of course.
 
This reminds me of that Jesse Ventura 9/11 episode where he says that all of the steel was shipped off to China while he was looking at some of it through a window at the warehouse where some of it is stored. What really made me crack up was while he was going on about not being able to get into the building to look at while there was a doorbell button RIGHT THERE IN THE SAME SHOT THAT HE WAS STANDING IN WHILE HE SAID IT. Now I'm no rocket surgeon or anything like that but even I know that step one is to try and ring the doorbell (Ok maybe step 2, after seeing if the door is already open/unlocked).
 
dc1971 said:
Why is it important to explain that the steel from the World Trade Center was cut into smaller sections and shipped off overseas to China and other foreign countries?
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Because it was vitally important that the evidence of an inside job be destroyed before anyone uninvolved with the conspirators or potentially hostile to the US Government had sight of it. It was decided, therefore, to deliver it immediately to China, whose long-standing unquestioning support of US foreign policy made it certain that they would collaborate fully with the cover-up.

That's it in outline, but I think one or two details may need a bit of work.

Dave
 
It sounds amazingly stupid but recently when I pressed an old friend on their doubts about 9/11, this is the example I got first. I simply asked him what he would have done with a few hundred thousand tons of steel. I asked him if protecting the remains from souvenir hunters was a good idea. I asked him if they should have let as many people investigate as wanted the right to.

He's no longer in the conspiracy cult and cannot believe that he fell for their emotionalism all these years.
 
Restrictions on ASCE investigation
- No access to blueprints
- Not allowed to ask for help from public
- Team members threatened with dismissal for speaking to press
- No access to steel until first week of October

In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris – including most of the steel from the upper floors – was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel – including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns – were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection

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achimspok said:
Restrictions on ASCE investigation
- No access to blueprints
- Not allowed to ask for help from public
- Team members threatened with dismissal for speaking to press
- No access to steel until first week of October

In the month that lapsed...
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So... in your own words, achimspok, what does all of this tell you?
 
achimspok said:
It tells "no govt interest".
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Tell me how many of the people involved in the investigation who complained of those issues believe 9-11 was an inside job. Sounds to me the government was trying to cover its behind because they goofed up the intelligence gathering. Look up CYA in English and then get back to us.
 
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achimspok said:
It tells "no govt interest".
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You gave yet another explanation (a long one albeit) but again didn't explain WHY the effort was made to ship the steel away.

Which begs for my final question in the original post... SO WHAT?
 
China should have examined all that steel. They would have found all that evidence of CD and could have used that to blackmail the US government.

They really dropped the ball on that one. ;)
 
Some interesting observations and facts (from an environmentalist POV) HERE about where most of the WTC scrap ended up.

Notice the date of arrival of an Indian shipment, (January 2002) doesn't really indicate a "rush" to get rid of the "evidence" does it?

Compus
 
achimspok said:
Bill Manning, editor of Fire Engineering magazine, said the “official investigation…is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure.”
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You do realize this quote has nothing to do with any "inside job" accusations, and that his concerns were answered by the creation of the NIST investigation, right?


For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that could answer many questions about high-rise building design practices and performance under fire conditions is on the slow boat to China, perhaps never to be seen again in America until you buy your next car.

Such destruction of evidence shows the astounding ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced collapse in world history.
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Hoping beyond hope, I have called experts to ask if the towers were the only high-rise buildings in America of lightweight, center-core construction. No such luck. I made other calls asking if these were the only buildings in America with light-density, sprayed-on fireproofing. Again, no luck-they were two of thousands that fit the description.

Comprehensive disaster investigations mean increased safety. They mean positive change. NASA knows it. The NTSB knows it. Does FEMA know it?
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However, respected members of the fire protection engineering community are beginning to raise red flags, and a resonating theory has emerged: The structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers. Rather, theory has it, the subsequent contents fires attacking the questionably fireproofed lightweight trusses and load-bearing columns directly caused the collapses in an alarmingly short time. Of course, in light of there being no real evidence thus far produced, this could remain just unexplored theory.

The frequency of published and unpublished reports raising questions about the steel fireproofing and other fire protection elements in the buildings, as well as their design and construction, is on the rise. The builders and owners of the World Trade Center property, the Port Authority of New York-New Jersey, a governmental agency that operates in an accountability vacuum beyond the reach of local fire and building codes, has denied charges that the buildings' fire protection or construction components were substandard but has refused to cooperate with requests for documentation supporting its contentions.
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http://www.fireengineering.com/inde...ors-opinion/elling-out-the-investigation.html
 
Horatius said:
You do realize this quote has nothing to do with any "inside job" accusations, and that his concerns were answered by the creation of the NIST investigation, right?
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It doesn't make any difference to him; he's already on to the next smoking gun. Showing that this one particular piece of "evidence" of inside job is wrong will be ignored.

Even worse, he'll still use the quote as evidence of inside job the next time he scatterguns a thread with "proof" of inside job.
 
achimspok said:
Restrictions on ASCE investigation
- No access to blueprints
- Not allowed to ask for help from public
- Team members threatened with dismissal for speaking to press
- No access to steel until first week of October

In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris – including most of the steel from the upper floors – was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel – including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns – were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection

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Plagiarized this too?
SPAM, you cut and paste offering zero references, or proof of what you say.

Is this from a nut case open-loop-stupid truther web site? What does it mean?

What is significant, in pounds please. Go ahead use some math.
 
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Some of it ended up in a lot of 9/11 Memorials across the country, including one at the California State Fairgrounds in Sacramento. If they were trying to keep anybody from examining samples of it by shipping it overseas, they had a epic fail.
 
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