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Statehood for Mexico

sesshin said:
The entire southwestern US sinking into third world status. I take it you don't live there?
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You're right. I completely forgot about the "status" thing. Though I don't think allowing Mexicans and others into the country will dirty the place enough to where that would cause what you fear. According to what I'm hearing, there are already somewhere between 12 and 20 million Mexicans alone in the US and were not third world status yet, and if we're close, its not their fault; you can look to the financial sector for that - maybe thats where all the Mexicans are working.

But seriously, you're worried Americans can't compete with Mexican people in regards to work ethic?
 
rjwould said:
You're right. I completely forgot about the "status" thing. Though I don't think allowing Mexicans and others into the country will dirty the place enough to where that would cause what you fear. According to what I'm hearing, there are already somewhere between 12 and 20 million Mexicans alone in the US and were not third world status yet, and if we're close, its not their fault; you can look to the financial sector for that - maybe thats where all the Mexicans are working.
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It's already happening here in Los Angeles. Swaths of the city are only differentiated from Mexican shanty towns by buildings having to be kept up to city code.

The fact of the matter is illegal immigrants are the poorest segment of the societies in which they come from, and when they immigrate here en masse and don't assimilate, they import their poverty with them. The standard of living in the society they immigrate to is lowered while simultaneously being raised in the society they emigrate from. Why do you think the Mexican government is so determined to send as many here as possible?

The southwestern US is already on track to become overwhelmingly Hispanic within the next couple of decades, partly due to illegal immigration. If we couple that with your idea of opening the borders, it will, for all intents and purposes, become no different than Mexico. Have you been to Mexico before? Nice place to visit, but not live.

I find most people advocating your position tend to live far and away from the areas that would be most affected by it.


rjwould said:
But seriously, you're worried Americans can't compete with Mexican people in regards to work ethic?
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I'm all for the free market running it's course. One hole in your logic though is, here in LA as an example, many illegal immigrants don't compete with Americans for jobs. The illegal immigrant community is so huge it's self-sustaining. They can live and work in many professions: mechanic, salesman, etc, and never come in contact with a non-Spanish speaker. American citizens aren't in those communities so they aren't competition.
 
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rjwould said:
Surely American companies would adhere to minimum wage requirements, wouldn't they? But isn't competition a sacred American value? What is it we're afraid of?
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Well by definition, once you go "no borders" you've destroyed the idea of a country.

It all goes downhill from there.
 
Darth Rotor said:
I have found some of the best Mexican food ever to be served in Sante Fe, New Mexico.
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Meh. Northern Mexican food isn't Mexican food. That's a random assortment of beef, chicken, pork, beans, rice, corn, with either red or green sauce in either a soft or hard corn or wheat tortilla. Go to Veracruz, Oaxaca or Merida.
 
One of the benefits of annexing Mexico and handling immigration from areas like Honduras is that, well, there's a much smaller border to contend with. If someone were to want to build a wall (which is a ridiculous idea, but an idea nonetheless) there would be much less ground to cover.
 
Nice idea in theory. Mexico would never go for it though. They are a proud people and a lot seem still sore about the Guadalupe Hidalgo Treaty.
 
Augustus said:
One of the benefits of annexing Mexico and handling immigration from areas like Honduras is that, well, there's a much smaller border to contend with. If someone were to want to build a wall (which is a ridiculous idea, but an idea nonetheless) there would be much less ground to cover.
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Plus we could have Mexicans build it on the cheap. *kidding*
 
WildCat said:
Well by definition, once you go "no borders" you've destroyed the idea of a country.

It all goes downhill from there.
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Open the boarders for work and leisure. Laws can still be enforced within the US.

Define downhill.
 
Nah, let's just nuke Mexico. No more immigrants and no more workers there for companies to outsource to. The radioactive wasteland that is left behind would then serve as a buffer preventing further migration north by what's left of Central America.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Well, why not?

It would solve a lot of problems.

No more illegal immigration, The federal government could move in against the drug trade and corupt local governemnts. Nafta would be voided.

Yeah, yeah, I know, i know. . . what if they don't want to be part of the U.S. ?

Well too bad.

:p

:D
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Wouldn't you have to get all the states in Mexico to agree?
 
Wildy said:
Wouldn't you have to get all the states in Mexico to agree?
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We could bring them into the union as their own states. Of course we would have to change the name of the one named after the little dog.

Can you imagine if the U.S. Navy were to build a battleship and to name it after a new state? Who would fear the "USS Chihuahua?"
 
Lets do it one of their states at a time.

Start with Baja California. Turn it into California South. 1100 linear miles of Palm Springs, with beaches, from what is now empty desert. What potential that peninsula has.
 
marksman said:
Meh. Northern Mexican food isn't Mexican food. That's a random assortment of beef, chicken, pork, beans, rice, corn, with either red or green sauce in either a soft or hard corn or wheat tortilla. Go to Veracruz, Oaxaca or Merida.
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Two Points:

1. While I enjoy your jest, the chili spiced beef and beans I had in Sante Fe wasn't what you declare it was, nor was the best Chili Relleno I ever had on the Mexico/Ca border. You prefer food from other regions, fair enough. I am not a fan of southern French cooking, but further north it is to die for.

2. Mexico is off of my travel list, pretty much forever, unless a number of things change. Better places, in the US and elsewhere, to spend my time and money.

DR
 
No offense, DR. I was just being humorous. Sadly, until conditions in Mexico improve, i'm afraid i won't be returning to Oaxaca or Veracruz in the near future. The Yucatan is still safe, but they consider themselves Mexicans the way Texans consider themselves Americans: barely, and they've always got an eye out for a better offer.
 
Hell.
We cant even get the East coast and Upper Midwest to recognize that New Mexico is a state.
(And if it ain't Hatch, it ain't Chile.)
 
This thread reminds me of a (somewhat notorious) Mike Royko article: articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-02-27/news/9602270086_1_pat-buchanan-buchanan-supporter-illegal-immigrants

Royko was being sarcastic, but not everyone thought so at the time!

UN
 
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