Stand Your Ground (licence to kill)?

[RandFan]

Yes, huddle in fear, trapped in your house...hope the police arrive before the burglars decide to see what valuables you have inside...

Don't even think about defending your property unless the burglars enter your house...

And to hell with the neighbor's property...

Just let the criminals do what they want, and hope they leave you alone this time.

You are armed inside. How is being armed outside better? Come on. Hey, let's go outside and kill people so we don't have to be pussies in our home. Forgive me if I don't buy into the Macho let's kill 'em propaganda.

 

[The Dark Lord]

I wouldn't bother shooting breaking into a neighbor's house even if I thought I could get away with it. You break into my house while I am there, and you are probably going to die though.

 

[RandFan]

I wouldn't bother shooting breaking into a neighbor's house even if I thought I could get away with it. You break into my house while I am there, and you are probably going to die though.

And if someone wants to kill you they only need to come up with a story about you trying to do something... uh bad.

Geez officer, he was trying to break into the neighbors house. Oh, okay. thanks. Night.

 

[RandFan]

We have the highest incarceration rates. The highest violent crime rates. But hey, we are the nation of John Wayne. **** statistics. We shoot and ask questions later. **** the bad guys. Kill them before they kill us.

 

[LTC8K6]

You are armed inside. How is being armed outside better? Come on. Hey, let's go outside and kill people so we don't have to be pussies in our home. Forgive me if I don't buy into the Macho let's kill 'em propaganda.

You can be somewhat trapped and limited in the house. If there are 2 burglars, then you can really get trapped inside if they enter front and back.

It may depend on whether they know you are there or not, and if you are sure of that.

I would really rather confront them outside, before they enter, if there has to be a confrontation.

Obviously, I'd have to make a decision well before they actually got to my door.

It's almost always best for you to choose where the confrontation occurs, rather than let them decide, if a confrontation seems inevitable.

You can always just hide and call 911 and hope nothing bad happens, and hope they don't get away and harm someone else later.

 

[johnny karate]

Yes, huddle in fear, trapped in your house...hope the police arrive before the burglars decide to see what valuables you have inside...

Don't even think about defending your property unless the burglars enter your house...

And to hell with the neighbor's property...

Just let the criminals do what they want, and hope they leave you alone this time.

Exactly.

But why stop at your neighbor's house? Fire up that police scanner. Liquor store down the street being robbed? Better grab your gun and get down there before they make their way to your house.

The smart play might be to just drive around with a sawed-off in your lap. You never know what kind of unsavory types are out lurking around that might eventually try to break into your home.

 

[The Dark Lord]

And if someone wants to kill you they only need to come up with a story about you trying to do something... uh bad.

Geez officer, he was trying to break into the neighbors house. Oh, okay. thanks. Night.

You should keep this quiet. If defense attorneys learn that they need to do to get murderers off scott free is make up some story about how the victim was trying to do something bad, nobody will ever be convicted of murder again.

 

[LTC8K6]

Exactly.

But why stop at your neighbor's house? Fire up that police scanner. Liquor store down the street being robbed? Better grab your gun and get down there before they make their way to your house.

The smart play might be to just drive around with a sawed-off in your lap. You never know what kind of unsavory types are out lurking around that might eventually try to break into your home.

The scenario is the Joe Horn case, not central Philadelphia after dark, where you might need a shotgun to make it to the liquor store.

It's two people robbing your next door neighbor's house.

 

[The Dark Lord]

We have the highest incarceration rates. The highest violent crime rates. But hey, we are the nation of John Wayne. **** statistics. We shoot and ask questions later. **** the bad guys. Kill them before they kill us.

Violent crime is way down since the castle doctrine laws have been passed.

 

[Cylinder]

We have the highest incarceration rates. The highest violent crime rates. But hey, we are the nation of John Wayne. **** statistics. We shoot and ask questions later. **** the bad guys. Kill them before they kill us.

I'm not trying to be a prick toward you or anything, I (usually) disagree with your opinions and (usually) admire how you present them.

If I were to hop a flight to SoCal, drive out to your casa and try to help myself to the nice electronics suite that I know you keep in you vehicle, would you feel compelled by law to stand idly by and wait for police?

For the record, I'd be more likely to show up with a nice single malt and hours of innane stories of past exploits. Deadly force would certainly be justified at some point there as well.

 

[Cylinder]

If defense attorneys learn that they need to do to get murderers off scott free is make up some story about how the victim was trying to do something bad, nobody will ever be convicted of murder again.

I almost missed the sarcasm tag. Obviously, that puts the law on its head - the state has the responsibility to prove guilt, not the citizen's to prove innocence.

 

[johnny karate]

The scenario is the Joe Horn case, not central Philadelphia after dark, where you might need a shotgun to make it to the liquor store.

It's two people robbing your next door neighbor's house.

So if it's okay to gun down suspected criminals at your neighbor's house, why not the liquor store down the street?

 

[Skepticemea]

You can be somewhat trapped and limited in the house. If there are 2 burglars, then you can really get trapped inside if they enter front and back.

It may depend on whether they know you are there or not, and if you are sure of that.

I would really rather confront them outside, before they enter, if there has to be a confrontation.

Obviously, I'd have to make a decision well before they actually got to my door.

It's almost always best for you to choose where the confrontation occurs, rather than let them decide, if a confrontation seems inevitable.

You can always just hide and call 911 and hope nothing bad happens, and hope they don't get away and harm someone else later.

That reads a lot like "Get them before they get you whether they're out to get you or not".

I don't know enough about the case to comment on it but then the comments above don't appear to be about the case either.

 

[GeeMack]

Oh hell that is so damn simple. Okay, here it is. If you are safe in your home with a loaded weapon and burglars are out side and don't appear to want to enter your home, stay in your **** ing house.

Any questions?

Actually it's simpler than that. If you don't want to get killed while robbing someone's house, don't rob someone's house. If you're in the business of stealing stuff, there will be some people who will just let you go about your business and some who won't. It's the chance you take in that line of work.

Now if you really want to reduce the risks for the people who are in that business, how about you leave a stereo or TV on your porch. Then they won't be robbing my house because they'll be too busy picking up the free loot from the people who feel sorry for them. And they won't even have to come in your house because the donation is outside. And if it's a big TV maybe you can go out and help them load it in the truck. Win win!

 

[LTC8K6]

So if it's okay to gun down suspected criminals at your neighbor's house, why not the liquor store down the street?

Depends on the exact scenario.

All of these cases would be judged individually.

It's impossible to decide them generally.

However, I would guess that there are numerous examples of private citizens intervening in liquor store robberies, and all sorts of other store robberies, and not being prosecuted, and some where they were prosecuted.

 

[Resume]

We have the highest incarceration rates. The highest violent crime rates. But hey, we are the nation of John Wayne. **** statistics. We shoot and ask questions later. **** the bad guys. Kill them before they kill us.

In December of 1974 I was abducted at knifepoint in a quirky case of mistaken identity. Once the mistake was discovered, there was talk of how to dispose of my body. Had I a handgun, I would've shot these motherlovers until I tired of it. And in Illinois, in 1974 I would have probably faced at bare minimum a weapons charge.

My escape was quirky as well, dumb luck in fact, but I dream about the incident a few times a year; I really don't care about the rightious indignation some display over SYG or concealed carry or self-defense. If one abuses those statutes, incarcerate, but don't tell me I can't defend myself.

 

[Cylinder]

However, I would guess that there are numerous examples of private citizens intervening in liquor store robberies, and all sorts of other store robberies, and not being prosecuted, and some where they were prosecuted.

Whatever....

Next you're gonna tell me that somebody posted the videos on YouTube, right?

 

[Tony]

In December of 1974 I was abducted at knifepoint in a quirky case of mistaken identity. Once the mistake was discovered, there was talk of how to dispose of my body. Had I a handgun, I would've shot these motherlovers until I tired of it. And in Illinois, in 1974 I would have probably faced at bare minimum a weapons charge.

My escape was quirky as well, dumb luck in fact, but I dream about the incident a few times a year; I really don't care about the rightious indignation some display over SYG or concealed carry or self-defense. If one abuses those statutes, incarcerate, but don't tell me I can't defend myself.

Glad you made it out alive. How did you escape? Did they ever catch the guys?

 

[Resume]

Glad you made it out alive. How did you escape? Did they ever catch the guys?

I escaped when a car next to the one I was in was pulled over by Chicago's finest at a traffic light; the knife was lowered and I said "See ya, ********." But these were not people you reported to the police if you get my drift. The knife wielder later overdosed but I did encounter him before he passed and we exchanged niceties.

 

[Jekyll's Guest]

You could fill a bag with cases from Texas, stick your hand in at random and pull out a case that makes you think the U.S. criminal justice system is broken.