Stand Your Ground Florida, Stand Your Ground

[eeyore1954]

McGlockton had a gun pointed at him and he was turning away. The threat of further violence from McGlockton was now minimal. Drejka was now in the least vulnerable position of the two, despite being on the ground.

That is easy for us to say from the comfort of our keyboards and videos rather than in the moment.

 

[Thermal]

That is easy for us to say from the comfort of our keyboards and videos rather than in the moment.

The heat of the moment is exactly when it is most critical for a gunman to be lucid. He is preparing to kill and better damn sure know what he is doing.

 

[Horatius]

The heat of the moment is exactly when it is most critical for a gunman to be lucid. He is preparing to kill and better damn sure know what he is doing.

Particularly when he knows he's going out of his way to get into arguments with people. This wasn't some guy just walking down the street minding his own business. He was actively minding everyone else's business, and being an ******* about too.

 

[Nessie]

That is easy for us to say from the comfort of our keyboards and videos rather than in the moment.

An armed person has a gun pointed at an unarmed person who is turning away.

That is a level of threat that is reduced dramatically from only a few moments earlier and the turning away strongly suggests no further risk as the attacker is now starting to retreat.

 

[The Big Dog]

See, that right there is your problem. The "initial aggressor" was the armed man who decided that yelling .

Bzzz, wrong.

An oral argument is not in any way shape or form a justification for someone to deliberately shove a person to the concrete.

 

[Dr. Keith]

That is easy for us to say from the comfort of our keyboards and videos rather than in the moment.

I agree, we shouldn't allow civilians who are not well trained to make such life and death decisions to be armed.

 

[Dr. Keith]

It was ST (not a huge surprise) and he still thought the killing was unlawful.

Color me surprised. (Assuming that tone is not offensive to the poster in question.)

 

[Drewbot]

I agree, we shouldn't allow civilians who are not well trained to make such life and death decisions to be armed.

He gets shoved, draws, aims, and shoots in 4 seconds.

which is it?

'not well trained' - Dr. Keith

or

"He comes over as practised in drawing, aiming and firing." -Nessie

 

[Nessie]

He gets shoved, draws, aims, and shoots in 4 seconds.

which is it?

'not well trained' - Dr. Keith

or

"He comes over as practised in drawing, aiming and firing." -Nessie

I do not think Dr. Keith was specifically referring to Drejka. I think he was suggesting all CCW holders should be well trained.

https://www.freshfromflorida.com/Co...se/Acceptable-Firearms-Training-Documentation

"To qualify for a concealed weapon license, Florida law requires you to submit proof of competency with a firearm. A copy of a Certificate of Completion or similar document from any of the following courses or classes is acceptable:

Any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency in another state;
Any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
Any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, using instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, the Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
Any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
Any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified instructor or by an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association."

He certainly did show competency with a gun. But probably not how any instructor taught him.

 

[Dr. Keith]

He gets shoved, draws, aims, and shoots in 4 seconds.

which is it?

He wasn't hit that hard.

 

[eeyore1954]

I agree, we shouldn't allow civilians who are not well trained to make such life and death decisions to be armed.

There is a difference between training in handgun safety and how someone reacts in a real life stressful situation.

This kind of shooting can be argument to be more restrictive on who can carry in public.
If the other reports are correct he is a person I would be uncomfortable with a gun on the street. To bad the other incidents didn't go any further with the law.

 

[jimbob]

There is a difference between training in handgun safety and how someone reacts in a real life stressful situation.

This kind of shooting can be argument to be more restrictive on who can carry in public.
If the other reports are correct he is a person I would be uncomfortable with a gun on the street. To bad the other incidents didn't go any further with the law.

And if you have a history of looking for confrontation that shouldn't be an excuse if a friend of one of the people you are verbally assaulting defends them.

 

[Dr. Keith]

There is a difference between training in handgun safety and how someone reacts in a real life stressful situation.

I agree completely. That is why training in handgun safety is so inadequate for those we are going to allow to carry a firearm. They should have to be trained in stressful conditions and they should be failed if they don't react properly. We can train people for stressful situations, we do it all the time.

It's not like we would allow cops to carry a gun and shoot at unarmed people who are running away . . . OK, bad analogy.

This kind of shooting can be argument to be more restrictive on who can carry in public.
If the other reports are correct he is a person I would be uncomfortable with a gun on the street. To bad the other incidents didn't go any further with the law.

Agreed. It should be easier to have your CCW pulled for activity that is not consistent with good gun stewardship, whether it is actually illegal or not. That way cops can get guns out of the hands of those who wield them carelessly without having to take them to jail.

 

[TJM]

For those of us who played American Football, it takes longer than 4 seconds to piece together what happened on the last play if you get pancaked.

Not me.

I've played football and have been blind sided. In basketball too, hard fouls come out of nowhere when you're focused on the hoop. I've even had a few fights start out with a hard, unexpected shove or take down.

My reaction every single time? Anger. Followed immediately by an overwhelming urge to retaliate.

Just sayin.

Also just sayin, While I agree McGlockton leveled Drejka with a blind side hit and I believe would've continued his assault had Drejka not reached for his holster, Drejka isn't exactly a small guy and the only injury he suffered was to his ego. He killed out of anger. Period.

 

[arthwollipot]

Bzzz, wrong.

An oral argument is not in any way shape or form a justification for someone to deliberately shove a person to the concrete.

Right, because verbal arguments never escalate to physical violence. Just doesn't happen.

 

[This is The End]

That is easy for us to say from the comfort of our keyboards and videos rather than in the moment.

I love how everyone applies this to Drejka to but not to McGlockton.

Drejka only has a few seconds to act and it is all "this is easy for us to say from the comfort of our homes!!" but McGlockton only has a few seconds to act and it is all "look at him casually walking up to Drejka and knocking the **** out of him!!".

You could all not be more openly racist if you tried.

 

[This is The End]

Also just sayin, While I agree McGlockton leveled Drejka with a blind side hit

The video shows differently.

I believe would've continued his assault had Drejka not reached for his holster

First of all, it was a justifiable defense of his family not an assault. Secondly, I'm just going to assume you believe that he would have continued because of racism. Since the reality of the situation would lead one to believe that it would have ended with the push with or without the gun. And there is only other place you could have pulled that from. Just sayin.

 

[Horatius]

I love how everyone applies this to Drejka to but not to McGlockton.

Drejka only has a few seconds to act and it is all "this is easy for us to say from the comfort of our homes!!" but McGlockton only has a few seconds to act and it is all "look at him casually walking up to Drejka and knocking the **** out of him!!".

You could all not be more openly racist if you tried.

Exactly. One thing we know for a fact is that Drejka was capable, from a poor position, to draw, aim, fire and hit in a matter of seconds. How much faster could he have done that from a standing position? And with his history of threatening to shoot people in exactly these sorts of situations (that Drejka created), it was entirely reasonable for McGlockton to fear that he, or some member of his family, was at risk for being gunned down.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Exactly. One thing we know for a fact is that Drejka was capable, from a poor position, to draw, aim, fire and hit in a matter of seconds. How much faster could he have done that from a standing position? And with his history of threatening to shoot people in exactly these sorts of situations (that Drejka created), it was entirely reasonable for McGlockton to fear that he, or some member of his family, was at risk for being gunned down.

I don't see how any of this info could have affected McGlockton's actions as he:

1) Was totally unaware of the gun until it was drawn from concealment

2) Had no prior conflicts with or knowledge of Drejka.

 

[Babbylonian]

I don't see how any of this info could have affected McGlockton's actions as he:

1) Was totally unaware of the gun until it was drawn from concealment

2) Had no prior conflicts with or knowledge of Drejka.

It's cool that we can be so certain of the thoughts and knowledge of a dead man. The science of mediums has apparently come a long way.