(Split Thread) Synchronicity or Coincidence

[Apathia]

UCE:

The mechanism is entirely hidden from us. This is the literal meaning of the word "occult".

Nostrildumass predicts that some future theory of extra-dimensional particle physics will use this word. Yeah, Nostrildumass will E-mail Dr. Lisa Randall and call her thories 'occult.'

 

[hammegk]

Nostrildumass predicts that some future theory of extra-dimensional particle physics will use this word. Yeah, Nostrildumass will E-mail Dr. Lisa Randall and call her thories 'occult.'

Franko might, but he'd more likely quote Lederman ...

Gravity is an interesting problem and challenge.

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

I see. That sounds to me more like a pejorative and highly prejudicial statement than a skeptical discussion point.

All I can do is quote definitions of synchronicity:

Jung spoke of synchronicity as an "'acausal connecting principle'" (i.e. a pattern of connection that cannot be explained by direct causality) a "‘meaningful coincidence’" or as an "‘acausal parallelism’". Cause-and-effect, in Jung's mind, seemed to have nothing to do with it.

Jung seems to say that synchronicity has nothing to do with cause and effect, yet involves some sort of connecting principle. Doesn't this sound like a supernatural definition, where supernatural means "not naturalistic"?

~~ Paul

 

[Apathia]

Jung seems to say that synchronicity has nothing to do with cause and effect, yet involves some sort of connecting principle. Doesn't this sound like a supernatural definition, where supernatural means "not naturalistic"?

Causality as a concept is something we bring to the table in the discription of the ordinary behavior of nature. Certain events are regullarly associated or orchestrated in detailed spatial-temproal sequence.

I like the 'orchetrated' anaolgy. One note on a page of music doesn't grossly cause the next, but as a chord sequence is resolved we expect what should follow.

Jung posited meaninful event relations that were not of the habitual order. Unique orchestrations apart from the usual detailed asssociations.

If connection then is a more subtle procession than billiard ball head butting,
The question is is nature itself the composer/conductor of all that it is? Or is there a supernatural composer/conductor.

My own opinion in this Philosophical soup is Naturalistic in that I think Nature is self-composing. I don't mean this in a Pantheistic sense.

But not positing Nature as having a conscious intelligence to line up these unexpected musical tiffs, I am vulnerable to a very good question:

How does the composing get done? What are the details of the process?
OK, it's atemporal (not by that necessarily supernatural), but what's the how?

Meanwhile when I get one of these marvelous, meaningful cooincidences, I enjoy it for what its worth in my personal life and suspend belief in any metaphisical stance about them.

As a slightly off keel footnote:
It has been posited that there are 'occult,' tacyon like particles that radiate backwards in time and in there interactions ever reshaping the outcomes of our present realities. Perhaps it's a way of accounting for quantum entanglement.

But I get amused at all the wild fudges that are created to save the Standard Theory: multiple worlds, branes bordering extra dimensions, hidden particles going backwards in time, and lots of other fun stuff!