[Split]Comments on - The "Finding the Truth by Refusing to Act" Thread

[Par]

I wonder if all those people sit around and wonder what gravy or other jref`ers are doing?

We don’t need to do anything. Remember, the status quo already reflects our position.

 

[Sizzler]

Understandably, you wouldn't have a clue. A real expert publishes in professional journals and is respected by his or her peers. Experts rely on the scientific method and are responsive to informed criticism. They require strong evidence to promote hypotheses and abandon ones that have been refuted.

In short, your side has no real experts.

oh really?

well, here's one.

David L. Griscom, PhD – Research physicist, retired in 2001 from Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) in Washington, DC, after 33 years service. Fellow of the American Physical Society. Fulbright-García Robles Fellow at Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México in Mexico City (1997). Visiting professorships of research at the Universities of Paris and Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology (2000 - 2003). Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Arizona (2004 - 2005).

Winner of the 1993 N.F. Mott Award sponsored by the Journal of Non-Crystalline Solids, the 1995 Otto Schott Award offered by the Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung (Germany), a 1996 Outstanding Graduate School Alumnus Award at Brown University, and the 1997 Sigma Xi Pure Science Award at NRL. Principal author of 109 of his 185 published works, a body of work which is highly cited by his peers. Officially credited with largest number of papers (5) by any author on list of 100 most cited articles authored at NRL between 1973 and 1988.

Is he on "my side"?

Well, lets assume that the world is black and white, and anyone that qustions the validity of the official hypothesis is therefore, on "my side"

Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."

Looks like he is on my side.

Would you like more examples?

 

[Walter Ego]

But isn’t it part of the paranoia that everybody’s in on the conspiracy? Who could the truthers trust with their valuable information? Remember what happened to Rosemary when she told her doctor about the satanic coven in her apartment building? Do you think they’d take that chance? The men in black would scoop them up before they got out the door!

 

[johnny karate]

oh really?

well, here's one.

Sizzler, you might have missed this part of pomeroo's definition: A real expert publishes in professional journals and is respected by his or her peers.

If you can provide a research paper, or any other comparable work that Dr. Griscom has done supporting CTer claims that has been peer-reviewed and published in a reputable journal, then it would be fair to consider him a real expert who is on your side.

Until then, not so much.

 

[Loss Leader]

I think on a trip to England, Dylan Avery went and dropped off some copies of his movie at Parliament. Does that count as doing something?

 

[Gravy]

I think on a trip to England, Dylan Avery went and dropped off some copies of his movie at Parliament. Does that count as doing something?

Yes, that's called "Dropping the kids off at the Parl."

 

[beachnut]

oh really?
well, here's one. David L. Griscom, PhD
Is he on "my side"?
Well, lets assume that the world is black and white, and anyone that qustions the validity of the official hypothesis is therefore, on "my side"
Looks like he is on my side.
Would you like more examples?

Next time read his work and find out you have nothing.
Did you even read his work? He does not support you with facts; just talk. Good choice to go with your lack of facts; can you lack more facts?

 

[Sizzler]

who repeatedly lied about his inclinations regarding 9/11 "truth."

Gravy you are so entertaining....

Thanks for the chuckle.

 

[Brainache]

Well I'm laughing. Not sure why you are Mr Sizzler.

 

[Sizzler]

Well I'm laughing. Not sure why you are Mr Sizzler.

Cuz he slips little comments like that, which are unsupported, into a thread that I cannot respond to.

A little childish don't you think?

Makes me chuckle

 

[pomeroo]

oh really?

well, here's one.



Is he on "my side"?

Well, lets assume that the world is black and white, and anyone that qustions the validity of the official hypothesis is therefore, on "my side"




Looks like he is on my side.

Would you like more examples?

Tell us what he says. Remember, you brought up Griscom.


I'll help you out. Here is his contribution to Da Twoof. How do you think this clown would fare with Mackey, or Newton's Bit, or RWGuinn, or beachnut, or Gravy, or any of several JREFers?

http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/e/hand-waving-the%20physics-of-911-by-david-griscom.pdf

 

[pomeroo]

Cuz he slips little comments like that, which are unsupported, into a thread that I cannot respond to.

A little childish don't you think?

Makes me chuckle

It was extremely childish of you to pretend for an entire fifteen-page thread to be something other than what you so obviously are.

 

[Sizzler]

It was extremely childish of you to pretend for an entire fifteen-page thread to be something other than what you so obviously are.

I thought you said I wasn't a liar. Am I a liar now?

 

[Swing Dangler]

I think this task would be a lot simpler (and shorter) if you compiled a list of Truthers who weren't refusing to act.

So my list of Truthers who are actually doing something positive to make their case follows:

Um.

Please define "act" in reference to your post?
Does "act" refer to
1. Contacting and petitioning government officials?
2. Seeking questions to unresolved issues in the OS?
3. Educating and informing others?
4. Questioning those responsible for the various reports when the opportunity arises?
5. Debunking debunkers?
6. Protesting?
7. Donating to first responder charities instead of a forum?

 

[pomeroo]

I thought you said I wasn't a liar. Am I a liar now?

I said that you might not be lying; you might just be extremely irrational. I can't read minds, you know. Your performance in your maiden effort here, however, was off the charts for disingenuousness.

 

[pomeroo]

Please define "act" in reference to your post?
Does "act" refer to
1. Contacting and petitioning government officials?
2. Seeking questions to unresolved issues in the OS?
3. Educating and informing others?
4. Questioning those responsible for the various reports when the opportunity arises?
5. Debunking debunkers?
6. Protesting?
7. Donating to first responder charities instead of a forum?

Well, we know you haven't done 1-5 or 7. Have you protested anything? You might start with the schools you attended. They owe you an education.

 

[Pardalis]

1. Contacting and petitioning harrasing government officials?

2. Seeking questions to unresolved issues in the OS?

Most of your questions, if not all, have been aswered.

3. Educating lying to and misinforming others?

4. Questioning those responsible for the various reports when the opportunity arises?

Or you are good at "questionning", that's for sure...

5. Debunking debunkers?

When did this happen?

6. Protesting?

Sure...

7. Donating to first responder charities instead of a forum?

Good on you, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the "truth" about 9/11 does it?

 

[Par]

Donating to first responder charities instead of a forum

False dichotomy fallacy.

 

[Swing Dangler]

False dichotomy fallacy.

Or donating to both. I haven't seen evidence of that though.

2. Seeking questions to unresolved issues in the OS?
Most of your questions, if not all, have been aswered.

See Family Steering Committee for that one. Questions about the destroyed interrogation tapes, destroyed ATC tapes, what the President and Vice President said off the record to the Commission, I could go on and on of course especially with regards to the 9/11 Commission and NIST. I'm not particularly interested in "JREF" answers, rather answers from those responsible for creating the official theory.

 

[Pardalis]

Yeah, that's really helpful.