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Spiritual Warfare

TimCallahan

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The evangelical Christian concept of spiritual warfare can be traced almost entirely to the sixth chapter of Paul's epistle to the Ephesians, an epistle whose validity as genuinely from the pen of the apostle Paul has been disputed. The section on spiritual warfare begins at Eph. 6:10 with an exhortation to put on "the whole armor of God." This carries through a description of each piece of the metaphorical armor - each of which is good for a weekly sermon - ending with the "sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God" (Eph. 6:17). Paul, or whoever else might have written Ephesians, seems to have adapted the believer's armor from a description of God's metaphorical armor from the apocryphal book, the Wisdom of Solomon, actually thought to have been written in the first century BCE (Wis. 5:17 - 20).

However, within these eight verses, the concept of spiritual warfare is contained in just one (Eph. 6:12):

For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

It's interesting that "this present darkness" would logically refer to the Roman Empire in the first century, if actually written by Paul, under the reign of Nero (CE 54 - 68). Yet, modern fundamentalist ministers have no problem adapting "this present darkness" to our time, nearly 2,000 years later.

Believers in the concept of spiritual warfare do indeed live in what the late Carl Sagan referred to as a "demon haunted world." I remember attending a party decades ago in which a woman was relating how Satan tried to stop her from going to work that morning, making her feel sick and discouraged and tempting her to call in sick; but God helped her to persevere. Translation: She worked at a dismal dead-end job and woke up feeling miserable at the thought of another day's drudgery, and tempted to call in sick and go back to bed. However, she did the responsible thing anyway and went to work. Her view that God and Satan were battling over whether or not she'd go to work that day isn't rational, but her demon haunted world was much more dramatic and meaningful than the reality that in the words of MacBeth's soliloquy, "creeps in this petty pace, from day to day."

I don't know if Islam has, perhaps in the hadiths, a corresponding doctrine of spiritual warfare, or if there is anything in the demonology of Judaism that would compare. It would seem likely that Hindu belief would have a multiplicity of evil and good spirits tugging one's soul this way and that. However, I'm willing to bet that this demon haunted world is a rather universal characteristic of primitive religion. What is remarkable is that in the sophistication of the twenty-first century. This single verse, Eph. 6:12, carries such weight.
 
I like bibleman better.

He has all the parts of the armor of god, and he even says they are just the metaphors , but they are literally technologically advanced pieces of armor that function on nothing more than the characters excellent skill and manufacturing arms and armor.

Non intentional, but i find it really says something about the value of the metaphors.
 
Yet, modern fundamentalist ministers have no problem adapting "this present darkness" to our time, nearly 2,000 years later.
Are they ever.

In 1999, the Christian Science Monitor reported on spiritual warfare:
"Targeting cities with 'spiritual mapping,' prayer", by Jane Lampman
http://www.csmonitor.com/1999/0923/p15s1.html
...After months of prayer, Muthee held a crusade that "brought about 200 people to Christ." Their church in the basement of a grocery store was dubbed "The Prayer Cave," as members set up round-the-clock intercession. Mama Jane [the alleged witch] counterattacked, he says, but eventually "the demonic influence - the 'principality' over Kiambu - was broken," and she left town. ...


The Texas Observer has reported on a recent example of this, a project by authoritarian Christians to shut down a swingers' club in Texas:
"He Who Casts The First Stone", by Forrest Wilder
http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/item/17841-he-who-casts-the-first-stone
...For the past year, this Bible Belt city of 200,000 has been consumed by a culture clash between Repent Amarillo and their targets, a list that includes everything from gay bars to liberal churches. For the Route 66 swingers, Grisham’s “special forces” have been a near-constant presence. Jobs have been lost, families estranged, assault charges filed and businesses shuttered. So far, no public official has stood up to defend these businesses, which operate legally. To the contrary, Repent Amarillo has managed to turn the city’s own laws and employees into an effective weapon. Amarillo, it turns out, doesn’t have the stomach to stick up for gays, swingers, strippers or even Unitarians. ...


They target enemy "strongholds" by using maps: http://www.blog.repentamarillo.com/map/ And the X's on that map show them taking "credit" for shutting down the aforementioned swing club and a Masonic Lodge.

Follow-up here:
"Repent Amarillo 'Executes' Santa, Continues Prayer Warfare Against Other Congregations", by Rachel Tabachnick
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/12/24/19620/171

And Talk2Action has more about other spiritual warfare groups:
"Spiritual Mapping and Spiritual Warfare - Muthee and the 'Transformations' Franchise / pt.1", by Rachel Tabachnick
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/27/115813/98

"Generational Curses, Deliverance Centers, and the Kingdom Health Care System", by Rachel Tabachnick
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/11/23/2349/5841
The growing obsession with demons imperils reality-based discourse on issues. With the "Apostles and Prophets" leading the way, much of the Religious Right is becoming increasingly obsessed with a war on demons. ...


This includes stories about spiritual warfare in Newark, New Jersey:
"Movement Behind Uganda's 'Kill the Gays' Bill Organizing in Newark", by Bruce Wilson
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/1/21/15336/6128

And now the demonologists are targeting California:
"Newark's Prayer-Based Crime Fighting Effort Isn't Working", by Bruce Wilson
http://www.talk2action.org/story/20...yer_Based_Crime_Fighting_Effort_Isn_t_Working
A radical notion: who needs cops? Just pray down crime. But in Newark, where the murder rate has risen over 70% from 2010 to 2011, the approach doesn't seem to be working very well. ...


In 2001, Christianity Today reported on the popularity of demon-belief, and seems to buy into it itself. The article is interesting to see how the different "experts" disagree, and to see how evangelical Christians can misuse the term "skepticism".
"Possessed or Obsessed?", by Agnieszka Tennant
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/september3/1.46.html?start=1
...Healthy though skepticism about the demonic may be, it must be reconciled with the biblical depictions of demonization. And, undeniably, some people have been helped by exorcism and deliverance. ...

As Fred Flintstone would say, "Hub-boy."
 
Are they ever.

In 1999, the Christian Science Monitor reported on spiritual warfare:
"Targeting cities with 'spiritual mapping,' prayer", by Jane Lampman
http://www.csmonitor.com/1999/0923/p15s1.html



The Texas Observer has reported on a recent example of this, a project by authoritarian Christians to shut down a swingers' club in Texas:
"He Who Casts The First Stone", by Forrest Wilder
http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/item/17841-he-who-casts-the-first-stone



They target enemy "strongholds" by using maps: http://www.blog.repentamarillo.com/map/ And the X's on that map show them taking "credit" for shutting down the aforementioned swing club and a Masonic Lodge.

Follow-up here:
"Repent Amarillo 'Executes' Santa, Continues Prayer Warfare Against Other Congregations", by Rachel Tabachnick
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/12/24/19620/171

And Talk2Action has more about other spiritual warfare groups:
"Spiritual Mapping and Spiritual Warfare - Muthee and the 'Transformations' Franchise / pt.1", by Rachel Tabachnick
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/27/115813/98

"Generational Curses, Deliverance Centers, and the Kingdom Health Care System", by Rachel Tabachnick
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/11/23/2349/5841



This includes stories about spiritual warfare in Newark, New Jersey:
"Movement Behind Uganda's 'Kill the Gays' Bill Organizing in Newark", by Bruce Wilson
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/1/21/15336/6128

And now the demonologists are targeting California:
"Newark's Prayer-Based Crime Fighting Effort Isn't Working", by Bruce Wilson
http://www.talk2action.org/story/20...yer_Based_Crime_Fighting_Effort_Isn_t_Working



In 2001, Christianity Today reported on the popularity of demon-belief, and seems to buy into it itself. The article is interesting to see how the different "experts" disagree, and to see how evangelical Christians can misuse the term "skepticism".
"Possessed or Obsessed?", by Agnieszka Tennant
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/september3/1.46.html?start=1


As Fred Flintstone would say, "Hub-boy."

I stick with my boy Willy Ames on this one.

Imagine how much more efficient it would be, if , instead of going through all that crap, he simply donned some rocking armor, got a sweet weapon, preached a few versus at Jane, in which he said he would use the power of scripture to defeat her, then beat the living **** out of her using the weapon.

That is christianity i can stand behind.
 
Are they ever.

In 1999, the Christian Science Monitor reported on spiritual warfare:
"Targeting cities with 'spiritual mapping,' prayer", by Jane Lampman
http://www.csmonitor.com/1999/0923/p15s1.html



The Texas Observer has reported on a recent example of this, a project by authoritarian Christians to shut down a swingers' club in Texas:
"He Who Casts The First Stone", by Forrest Wilder
http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/item/17841-he-who-casts-the-first-stone



They target enemy "strongholds" by using maps: http://www.blog.repentamarillo.com/map/ And the X's on that map show them taking "credit" for shutting down the aforementioned swing club and a Masonic Lodge.

Follow-up here:
"Repent Amarillo 'Executes' Santa, Continues Prayer Warfare Against Other Congregations", by Rachel Tabachnick
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/12/24/19620/171

And Talk2Action has more about other spiritual warfare groups:
"Spiritual Mapping and Spiritual Warfare - Muthee and the 'Transformations' Franchise / pt.1", by Rachel Tabachnick
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/27/115813/98

"Generational Curses, Deliverance Centers, and the Kingdom Health Care System", by Rachel Tabachnick
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/11/23/2349/5841



This includes stories about spiritual warfare in Newark, New Jersey:
"Movement Behind Uganda's 'Kill the Gays' Bill Organizing in Newark", by Bruce Wilson
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/1/21/15336/6128

And now the demonologists are targeting California:
"Newark's Prayer-Based Crime Fighting Effort Isn't Working", by Bruce Wilson
http://www.talk2action.org/story/20...yer_Based_Crime_Fighting_Effort_Isn_t_Working



In 2001, Christianity Today reported on the popularity of demon-belief, and seems to buy into it itself. The article is interesting to see how the different "experts" disagree, and to see how evangelical Christians can misuse the term "skepticism". "Possessed or Obsessed?", by Agnieszka Tennant http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/september3/1.46.html?start=1
As Fred Flintstone would say, "Hub-boy."

Particularly concerning the hilited area, it would appear that blaming demons is a whole lot easier than taking personal responsibility for such psychological phenomena as violent or lustful fantasies
 
Sounds like Repent's 'spiritual warfare', ie, 'harassment campaign' could be applied to them. The only reason they're winning is because the other side isn't willing to stoop to their level to fight back.
 
Sounds like Repent's 'spiritual warfare', ie, 'harassment campaign' could be applied to them. The only reason they're winning is because the other side isn't willing to stoop to their level to fight back.

Is this "Repent" the group called Repent America, Repent Amarillo, or some other group?
 
I remember attending a party decades ago in which a woman was relating how Satan tried to stop her from going to work that morning, making her feel sick and discouraged and tempting her to call in sick; but God helped her to persevere. Translation: She worked at a dismal dead-end job and woke up feeling miserable at the thought of another day's drudgery, and tempted to call in sick and go back to bed. However, she did the responsible thing anyway and went to work. Her view that God and Satan were battling over whether or not she'd go to work that day isn't rational, but her demon haunted world was much more dramatic and meaningful than the reality that in the words of MacBeth's soliloquy, "creeps in this petty pace, from day to day."


That sounds like a Pentecostal view, more than a generalized evangelical view. Pentecostalism tends to view all events as being directly affected by God and demons (especially Satan) doing battle. And I mean all events, no matter how mundane they seem anyone else. In other words, they're a bit superstitious, even by evangelical standards.
 
That sounds like a Pentecostal view, more than a generalized evangelical view. Pentecostalism tends to view all events as being directly affected by God and demons (especially Satan) doing battle. And I mean all events, no matter how mundane they seem anyone else. In other words, they're a bit superstitious, even by evangelical standards.

I suppose she may have been Pentecostal. This was at a party for a woman who had been one of my wife's co-workers. It was immediately after her graduation ceremony at the Four Square Gospel Church (founded by Aimee Semple McPhearson). At that ceremony a minister spoke on how AIDS was a God's punishment for homosexuality. So, as you might imagine, I did a lot of eye-rolling that evening and was not anxious to hear any more of this woman's theology. Fortunately, my wife's co-worker moved, over the years, far from her initially literalist viewpoint.

That said, and with the understanding that charismatics are more likely to see everything as the work of God or Satan, I do recall John MacArthur, who is not charismatic, saying in one of his "Grace to You" tapes that he thought that world governments were inspired and controlled by demons. I'm not sure if he included the U.S. in that category, since Reagan was in office at the time; but the U.N. was definitely demon-controlled.
 
That sounds like a Pentecostal view, more than a generalized evangelical view. Pentecostalism tends to view all events as being directly affected by God and demons (especially Satan) doing battle. And I mean all events, no matter how mundane they seem anyone else. In other words, they're a bit superstitious, even by evangelical standards.

I've encountered Orthodox Christian monks who believe they're fighting spiritual battles with demons. They go after monks because they've already got the secular world wrapped up; making the monk's cell the front line in the war against demonic forces. Really.

Apparently tactics and strategy are not Satan's forte'.
 
I've encountered Orthodox Christian monks who believe they're fighting spiritual battles with demons. They go after monks because they've already got the secular world wrapped up; making the monk's cell the front line in the war against demonic forces. Really.

Apparently tactics and strategy are not Satan's forte'.

I can't recall which fundamentalist minister I was listening to on KKLA back in the 80s and early 90s, but whoever it was said that, once someone has made a commitment to Christ, they are involved in spiritual warfare. The reason for this is that the demons leave secular types and those involved in false religions (i.e. anything but Christianity) alone, since they already have their souls. As I recall, this concept was voiced in connection with a passage from 2 Timothy (2 Tim. 2:3, 4):

Take your share of suffering as a good soldier in Christ Jesus. No soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to satisfy the one who enlisted him.

This is part of the bait and switch tactics of evangelism. The bait is the "peace that passeth all understanding." The switch is, "Guess what: You're now a soldier of Christ. You can expect spiritual attacks from demons."
 
I guess I don't understand the Ephesians thing. There is plenty more where that came from. As mentioned, Psalms lays a pretty good foundation.
Psalms
From NIV, the 'polite' Bible version.

(3)
Strike all my enemies on the jaw;
break the teeth of the wicked

(5)
Surely, LORD, you bless the righteous;
you surround them with your favor as with a shield.

(6)
My shield[d] is God Most High,
who saves the upright in heart.
11 God is a righteous judge,
a God who displays his wrath every day.
12 If he does not relent,
he[e] will sharpen his sword;
he will bend and string his bow.
13 He has prepared his deadly weapons;
he makes ready his flaming arrows.

(9)
Strike them with terror, LORD;
let the nations know they are only mortal.

(18)
The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;
my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge,
my shield and the horn[c] of my salvation,


37 I pursued my enemies and overtook them;
I did not turn back till they were destroyed.
38 I crushed them so that they could not rise;
they fell beneath my feet.
39 You armed me with strength for battle;
you humbled my adversaries before me.
40 You made my enemies turn their backs in flight,
and I destroyed my foes.
41 They cried for help, but there was no one to save them—
to the LORD, but he did not answer.
42 I beat them as fine as windblown dust;
I trampled them[f] like mud in the streets.

(21)
Your hand will lay hold on all your enemies;
your right hand will seize your foes.
9 When you appear for battle,
you will burn them up as in a blazing furnace.
The LORD will swallow them up in his wrath,
and his fire will consume them.


And so on.
 
I guess I don't understand the Ephesians thing. There is plenty more where that came from. As mentioned, Psalms lays a pretty good foundation.


And so on.

That's fine, but it doesn't deal with what most evangelicals call spiritual warfare, i.e. being supernaturally attacked by demons.
 
I can't recall which fundamentalist minister I was listening to on KKLA back in the 80s and early 90s, but whoever it was said that, once someone has made a commitment to Christ, they are involved in spiritual warfare. The reason for this is that the demons leave secular types and those involved in false religions (i.e. anything but Christianity) alone, since they already have their souls. As I recall, this concept was voiced in connection with a passage from 2 Timothy (2 Tim. 2:3, 4):

Take your share of suffering as a good soldier in Christ Jesus. No soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to satisfy the one who enlisted him.

This is part of the bait and switch tactics of evangelism. The bait is the "peace that passeth all understanding." The switch is, "Guess what: You're now a soldier of Christ. You can expect spiritual attacks from demons."

I have heard this too. What's funny, though, is that there are plenty of Christians who hold the firm belief that a true Christian cannot be demonically attacked. I have no idea if this is biblically based but it seems a rather common view. If you think you are being attacked, this viewpoint goes, you are doing something wrong.

There are also Christian former New Agers/occult practitioners who believe that Satan owns and eventually begins to torment anyone whose religious or spiritual beliefs involve the occult. The solution is to convert to Christianity, at which time the attacks ease up if not stop completely. Same goes for anyone who opens themselves up to attack through occult practices such as use of a Ouija board, seeking out the help of mediums, psychics, etc.

So either: Satan torments only Christians, Satan never torments a true Christian, or Satan mainly torments believers in the occult because they are fair game.

:boggled:
 
I have heard this too. What's funny, though, is that there are plenty of Christians who hold the firm belief that a true Christian cannot be demonically attacked. I have no idea if this is biblically based but it seems a rather common view. If you think you are being attacked, this viewpoint goes, you are doing something wrong.

There are also Christian former New Agers/occult practitioners who believe that Satan owns and eventually begins to torment anyone whose religious or spiritual beliefs involve the occult. The solution is to convert to Christianity, at which time the attacks ease up if not stop completely. Same goes for anyone who opens themselves up to attack through occult practices such as use of a Ouija board, seeking out the help of mediums, psychics, etc.

So either: Satan torments only Christians, Satan never torments a true Christian, or Satan mainly torments believers in the occult because they are fair game.

:boggled:

Again, from when I was monitoring KKLA, I heard that Satanic attack are pressed against both Christian and New Agers / Wiccans / believers in the occult. The attacks against Christians were assaults such as discouragement, doubt (as in doubting one's salvation), urges to procrastinate, etc. The attacks against occultists were more seductive, luring them into a position where they can be possessed. Those I referred to earlier who were left alone by demons were the generally uncommitted and unspiritual. Of course, active atheists, such as Dawkins, Dennet and Hitchens, would be seen as under the influence of Satan without knowing it.
 

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