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Sovereign Citizen Nonsense

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Other than Rob Menard, we don't have a catch-all thread for what these cats are up to. Here's one.

The Crazy Case of Ex-NFL Player’s Pageant-Crashing Lackeys
DISORDER IN THE COURT
The retired Green Bay Packer now runs a fringe ministry. Two of his followers spouted “sovereign citizen” buzzwords in a bizarre court appearance.

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Gbaja-Biamila is the leader of Straitway Praiseland, a Wisconsin offshoot of Tennessee’s fringe Straitway Truth Ministry. The church calls itself “Hebrew Israelite” and claims to preach a literal reading of the Bible. Centered in a Tennessee compound where some members live, farm, and train with firearms, Straitway Truth Ministry has endorsed conspiracy theories like Flat Earth in its official pamphlets, as well as male members’ right to have multiple wives.
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Salmi and Desmith’s handwritten court filings show further traces of sovereign ideology, according to Joanna Mendelson, a senior investigative researcher at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism.

Many sovereign citizens believe that their legal name is actually a “straw man,” a separate entity from their “flesh-and-blood” selves, she explained. Sovereign citizens often reference their “straw man” in all-caps, while using phony or just plain weird jargon to refer to what they see as their true selves.

Salmi and Desmith both tried a version of the tactic in handwritten documents they filed this week.

“There are a few elements throughout the document where they identify themselves in capital letters and then in the next line they talk about themselves in lower case letters and mention ‘beneficiary,’” Mendelson told The Daily Beast.

She also suggested that they deliberately referred to themselves as human or “i:man,” perhaps to differentiate from the Sovereign concept of “straw man.”

I don't know what makes them believe in the power of these magic words.

When the judge called the trio “respondents” (a legal term for people in the case), Gbaja-Biamila objected. “We are not respondents,” he said, according to the Associated Press. “We are only men.” He threatened to “bill you $10 per second” if the judge used the term.
 
When the judge called the trio “respondents” (a legal term for people in the case), Gbaja-Biamila objected. “We are not respondents,” he said, according to the Associated Press. “We are only men.” He threatened to “bill you $10 per second” if the judge used the term.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
When the judge called the trio “respondents” (a legal term for people in the case), Gbaja-Biamila objected. “We are not respondents,” he said, according to the Associated Press. “We are only men.” He threatened to “bill you $10 per second” if the judge used the term.

But then the judge would just return the bill to him stamped "Accepted for Value". ;)
 
I love these guys, as long as there non-violent. There is something poetic about the whole, "Your laws don't apply to me for these very legalistic* reasons!"

*obviously not really legal reason, just legalistic jargon and rationales.
 
I love these guys, as long as there non-violent. There is something poetic about the whole, "Your laws don't apply to me for these very legalistic* reasons!"

*obviously not really legal reason, just legalistic jargon and rationales.

I always liked the idea that the evil world wide conspiracy would write in 'opt out rules' into the evil legal system to make every one else slaves.
 
Nice change since the usual proponents of this idiocy are Nordic Aryan types....

I wouldn't have predicted an intersection of white supremacy and black nationalism/religious affiliation, but I wouldn't have predicted The Nation of Islam and Scientology would make common cause either.
 
I wouldn't have predicted an intersection of white supremacy and black nationalism/religious affiliation, but I wouldn't have predicted The Nation of Islam and Scientology would make common cause either.

The White Supremist and the Black Nationalist have one thing in common: THey both don't like Jews very much.
 
I love these guys, as long as there non-violent. There is something poetic about the whole, "Your laws don't apply to me for these very legalistic* reasons!"

*obviously not really legal reason, just legalistic jargon and rationales.


I remember seeing a video of a woman and her boyfriend being stopped for a traffic violation, and he ended up being charged with driving without a license. She started yelling about a nonsense regulation that proved he didn't need a license and the police had no authority over them. She called herself a "free inhabitant", or something like that. She insisted that if the officer called his commander and reported her claims, then he would be told to let them go.
 
I remember seeing a video of a woman and her boyfriend being stopped for a traffic violation, and he ended up being charged with driving without a license. She started yelling about a nonsense regulation that proved he didn't need a license and the police had no authority over them. She called herself a "free inhabitant", or something like that. She insisted that if the officer called his commander and reported her claims, then he would be told to let them go.

Article 4 free inhabitant, I expect.
 
I was watching "How the States got their Shapes" the other day and it was talking about Ohio and how, apparently, Ohio didn't technically fulfill all the requirements when it applied for statehood, and there was a missing form of some sort. It was realized in 1950 when the state was going to celebrate its 150th anniversary of being a state, so Eisenhower had to sign something that retroactively made Ohio a state for all that time.

They mentioned in the show that it apparently still comes up on occasion for those who don't want to pay taxes (aka Sovereign Citizen), but just laughed them off as the dingbats that they are. By the way, their claims don't get any where.

Yes, Ohio is a state, you morons.
 
Yeah, well, Ohioo may be a state, but how bout the Land Between Wyoming and Montana?

There really is such a place. The border was surveyed twice, in the 1870s & again in the 1890s. They differed by a quarter of a mile. Doesn't sound like much, but it's 300 miles long. Who levies taxes on all that, WY or MT?

Any Sov Git can tell you: nobody! The Land Between, the Horizontal Chile of the West, pays no taxes to anybody! It heeds no laws!

It charges fees on intruders, too. $10/second, probably.

My head hurts. Where's my tinfoil hat?
 
Bizarre case involves a US air marshal, his Sea-Doo and accusations of his fringe, anti-government views

CNN said:
As a federal air marshal, Paul Steward has sworn an oath to enforce the law in the skies above America.

But when he's off-duty, the 42-year-old officer has embraced a fringe ideology that rejects the US government's authority to impose many of the country's laws. The apparent contradiction between Steward's work and his personal views surfaced following what should have been a very minor brush with the law on one of the nation's waterways. The ensuing legal battle led to a suspension from his normal duties for the Transportation Security Administration.

Steward was riding his Sea-Doo watercraft on the Susquehanna River in Maryland in 2018 when a state Department of Natural Resources officer issued him three citations related to his vehicle's registration, according to court documents.

Instead of paying the fines, Steward aggressively fought the citations by espousing beliefs of the so-called "sovereign citizen" movement, court and police records show. Prosecutors and judges, Steward stated in court filings, were "foreign agents," the court overseeing his case was a "private corporation" controlled by foreign powers and the state of Maryland committed "fraud" by bringing such penalties against him.

The FBI has described sovereign citizens as "anti-government extremists who claim the federal government is operating outside its jurisdiction" and has previously identified the group as a "domestic threat." The FBI notes that sovereign citizens operate in loosely affiliated networks without established leadership....
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/politics/air-marshal-sovereign-citizen-invs/index.html
 
The White Supremist and the Black Nationalist have one thing in common: THey both don't like Jews very much.

Really, the ideologies are just mirrors of one another, they have quite a bit in common. Once you've decided that there is either a superior race or that races are all just better off living apart, the solutions are gonna look alike, just with a different hue.

Reminds of the Jewish conspiracy nut I heard interviewed years ago. Basically the same conspiracy and and actors as the anti-semitic conspiracy nuts would tell you its just the Rothschilds were really NAZI rather than Jews.
 
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