Chevstriss
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her hair was alot longer and up in a bun. She was at that podium by the elevators friday night.
she says she doesn't get recognized much with the bunhead.
South Point security staff is excellent, here's video proof
her hair was alot longer and up in a bun. She was at that podium by the elevators friday night.
she says she doesn't get recognized much with the bunhead.
Baloney
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I only saw her running down the hallway -- thus backed as far away as possible.
krelnik
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Bump for 2013.
My idea of best airport apparel is none - I loathe TSA and I do not fly. When /if they close TSA down and fly correctly, I'll be back - I have low tolerance for jackassery.
Wait - this is the first I've seen of this thread. You guys think that security is good based on what was depicted in a reality television show? You guys know reality shows are fake, right? I mean, you can even tell with this one - like a lot.
First - All the faces of the "offenders" are shown. That means they signed a release.
Second - the camera is catching people as soon as they do something wrong. That isn't even possible. Consider the number of people at South Point during these events. Consider the number of security guards. Consider the number of cameramen usually on a reality show set (like, three, max - but more typically one). And then consider that there is no way they had a cameraman dedicated to each security guard - yet somehow the second there is a problem, the cameraperson just happens to be right there? Then somehow gets every person - even those who would look like dicks - to sign a release? Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Now consider that each of these videos takes place at a separate casino event. One's Fetish & Fantasy, one's a beer pong thing I guess, etc. So now we're not only talking about like fifteen cameramen - we're talking about hiring fifteen cameramen for, what, at the very least five days of filming (if you assume that there was something worth capturing on every day, double or triple that if you don't).
I have no doubt that what actually happened here is that the "offenders" were hired to play very specific parts on single days of filming. It's extremely difficult to make real reality shows. The whole point of reality television is that it's low budget. That means that waiting around for organic situations isn't feasible the vast majority of the time. You have to manufacture it, and this clearly was.
First - All the faces of the "offenders" are shown. That means they signed a release.
Second - the camera is catching people as soon as they do something wrong. That isn't even possible. Consider the number of people at South Point during these events. Consider the number of security guards. Consider the number of cameramen usually on a reality show set (like, three, max - but more typically one). And then consider that there is no way they had a cameraman dedicated to each security guard - yet somehow the second there is a problem, the cameraperson just happens to be right there? Then somehow gets every person - even those who would look like dicks - to sign a release? Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Now consider that each of these videos takes place at a separate casino event. One's Fetish & Fantasy, one's a beer pong thing I guess, etc. So now we're not only talking about like fifteen cameramen - we're talking about hiring fifteen cameramen for, what, at the very least five days of filming (if you assume that there was something worth capturing on every day, double or triple that if you don't).
I have no doubt that what actually happened here is that the "offenders" were hired to play very specific parts on single days of filming. It's extremely difficult to make real reality shows. The whole point of reality television is that it's low budget. That means that waiting around for organic situations isn't feasible the vast majority of the time. You have to manufacture it, and this clearly was.
Oh also - not only would the casino have to sign off on showing this, so would the event. They're using real names of real events. This would be like a production crew showing up in the middle of TAM and filming your face without your permission in a compromising situation, and then airing it and being all "And here is so-and-so and their unblurred face from the James Randi Educational Foundation's The Amaz!ng Meeting!". It just doesn't work that way.
krelnik
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Yes, Remie, if you watch the rest of the show it was done entirely with the hotel's permission. No doubt the attendees of the events themselves had to agree to releases as part of attending the event. (If you look closely, many tickets to rock concerts and the like contain such releases in that tiny print on the back of the ticket).
Nothing you see on TV is absolutely 100% real, but as I said in the OP, it is consistent with my experiences with South Point's security.
ETA:
I assume you are referring to the first clip? If you back that YouTube up to before the commercial break before I have it started, you will see that one of the South Point managers noticed the situation before it got out of hand and called the guard. They were following the managers watching them manage the event. (I explain this earlier in the thread). So yes, its possible.
Nothing you see on TV is absolutely 100% real, but as I said in the OP, it is consistent with my experiences with South Point's security.
ETA:
I assume you are referring to the first clip? If you back that YouTube up to before the commercial break before I have it started, you will see that one of the South Point managers noticed the situation before it got out of hand and called the guard. They were following the managers watching them manage the event. (I explain this earlier in the thread). So yes, its possible.
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I get that. What I'm saying is that I am 99.99999999999999999% sure that these "offenders" were hired. Like, so close to positive that I'd find it equally likely that something on Ghost Hunters was real. This is being talent in two reality shows and three documentaries, and consulting on five reality shows. This is fake, fake, fake. Not to say that they weren't reenactments or recreations or something like that, but I promise you those offenders are actors who were told their parts and who got paid for their work.
The Central Scrutinizer
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Yeah, that show was awful. I watched 2-3 episodes. What was weird is that every show was the same plot - casino would host a horse show/beer pong tournament/free concert, etc. The concerned general manager would worry that no one would show up, and they'd be out tens of thousands of dollars. The employee in charge of the event would assure them that everything would be fine. The concerned general manager would show up on the day of the event, notice that it was well attended, but that the casino floor was empty. The concerned general manager would tell the employee in charge of the event about his concerns, and if they don't get all these people to come in to the casino from the horse arena/conference room/parking lot, they'd be out tens of thousands of dollars. So the concerned general manager would come up with a brilliant idea! "Let's print off 5,000 free drink coupons to give to each person to entice them to come into the casino to gamble". So some flunky would go off to design/print/crop 5,000 free drink coupons (in 10 minutes, no less), the casino would fill up after the event, and the concerned general manager would no longer be concerned, but would inform the employee in charge of the event that even though everything turned out alright, they could have very easily lost their job. The End.
krelnik
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Seems like this would be a good skeptical investigation. If those offenders are actors, then they probably have headshots floating around and can be identified. You work in the industry, it should be a snap. The full episodes are on YouTube, they might even be in the credits.
krelnik
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FYI, here's sample text from a ticket to a similar event, granting rights to be photographed:
That's the wonderful thing about casinos - you can never tell what time it is. So if you want to appear worried that it's empty, just film at 3am on a Wednesday.
These are the two areas that weird me out about skepticism. Somehow, you'll always find this big crowd of people who believes that reality shows are real and that mentalism is really about psychology. Blows my mind, really.
No, you would probably not find their head shots anywhere. What the show does is put out a call for extras. The extras show up for a quick screen test (or they just show up for the shoot - depends on how big the operation is) and the producers pick out the people they want to have speaking roles. Like, by pointing and saying "So, can you give this line back to me?" And then they just go. Producers don't want lengthy shoots, because then they have to pay their production team a lot. The only cost-effective method is to stage the situations, which means that filming can wrap in a single day per episode.
If you want a list of ways I know that this is fake, I can examine the video really closely and give it to you.
Hell, let's go with the fourth video:
- The exit from the elevator is staged. The cameraman is already outside the elevator and completely set up as the talent exits the elevator. In actual reality, he would not have time before the elevator doors closed to step outside, find his mark, turn, and get his shot and lighting.
- The conversation with the groupies was staged. You can tell because, on approach, the cameraman is behind the talent. That would be a bad shot for the conversation element, though, so he moves to the middle, and then to the far side (which you can see in the edits). Now, you can believe that a three sentence conversation went on for enough minutes that the cameraman could move around that much (and that no one would comment on the fact that they were being filmed), or you can believe that the producer (who is watching this on a screen as it happens) was unhappy with the first shot, had them reset and do it from the middle, then had them reset again for reaction shots. That's how reality television works. They have an overall idea of what they're supposed to say, and then they wing it, which is the reality part. It's more like guided improv than anything.
- You can also tell the conversation is staged because the groupies say the initial line (nearly the same exact line) pretty much simultaneously. This is because they've been given the idea of the conversation, and all want to have the limelight by being the main offender for this part.
All I can say is - I promise you, this and pretty much every other reality show on earth is staged. There are only a couple of reality shows that don't fake and those are:
- Ones that get a metric ****ton of footage and then pick through it, ie: Cops. With Cops, a single night can yield multiple episodes (if you pick the right part of the right town and the right cop to follow), thereby offsetting the cost of the crew.
- Ones that are forced situations, like American Idol, Top Model, Hell's Kitchen. These are 'environmental reality', so to speak. The drama is staged in that the main talent (like what's his face on Hell's Kitchen) is urged to hone in on particular people, create an unstable environment, etc. This means that in the casual shots, where the chefs are just hanging out, they will have essentially grown drama. The Bachelor is another good example of this type.
In addition to my personal credentials, since those aren't good enough - I am also friends with reality show directors. This is just how it works.
That's just silly. A reality television show is neither "promotional" nor "general information". They're referring to videos of the concert, or promotional photographs that show the audience.
krelnik
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So you're a legal expert too?
Fine, whatever, you win. Uncle. Can I go do some work on TAM now?
Fine, whatever, you win. Uncle. Can I go do some work on TAM now?
The Central Scrutinizer
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No, I'm not a legal expert - but I have signed the actual agreements to have your face show on a reality show, and that is simply not good enough.
And really - what a dickish way to respond. Would it somehow bother you if the show wasn't real? Because that's the only way I can figure your response. Do whatever you want - who's stopping you?
The Central Scrutinizer
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I wonder if Yau-Man will be at TAM again this year? Maybe we can ask him! 