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South of the Navy Annex Featuring Edward and Shinki Paik

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Edward Paik made his debut to the Pentagon research arena through the CIT Pentacon film in late 2006. He has since that time been promoted as a north-of-Citgo (NoC) flyover witness by some in the Truth Movement. In the thread started a few days ago by TheLoneBedouin, “Over the Navy Annex Featuring Terry Morin”, I responded in a post examining Edward’s POV a little more closely. I began this thread in order to examine one aspect of his account more closely.

As it turns out, Edward Paik did a preliminary interview with Russell Pickering and the Loose Change entourage which included the CIT folks in August of 2006.



In this account, Edward refers to an antenna that he saw bent on top of the Virginia State Police tower in back of the VDOT center. He described it as a 2-meter antenna which had been bent over and the next day (the 12th) he observed people on the tower repairing the antenna. This was of course not what Russell Pickering and friends wanted to hear, so Pickering followed up and clarified that Edward did not see the plane strike the antenna, but saw it being repaired the next day and made the inference. Pickering investigated it further (to his credit) and was told by the VDOT employees (he assumed it was the VDOT's tower, but it is the VSP's) that work was done on the 12th to add capability for the FBI. Later I believe CIT has asserted it was work done for the military.

This seemed like a fairly historical detail that required further investigation to me. So I examined the photographs I could find for the 11th to see if any had the tower in them. I found two, but the one taken by Steven Ross from the Sheraton Hotel that was available on the internet was simply too poor quality for enhancement. I contacted Ross and he was kind enough to send me the original digital copy, but it too was of very poor quality. The other photograph was one taken by Steve Riskus and although taken from a distance, was of sufficient quality for enhancement.

antenna.jpg


The image above is a 7X enhancement with a change to grayscale. The brightness has been adjusted to enhance the dark features. Although not conclusive by any means, it certainly seems to support Paik's assertion that an antenna was indeed bent over just as he described. So I contacted Jimmy Chu who was the VDOT Smart Traffic Center manager on 9/11 with Paik's observations and the photograph. His response was simply "that was not true!" So, although I was still scratching my head, I dropped the issue for the time being.

On 9/10/2008 I was tracing the flight path as described by the Arlington County Police Department personnel along Columbia Pike starting at Glebe Road. Amazingly, the first person I talked to in the area who had seen the plane told me that the plane had also clipped the tower behind the VDOT! As I worked my way down Columbia Pike talking to people, I realized that it seemed to be a definite part of the local legend surrounding the event. When I reached the the VDOT/Annex area, I found several people in the area who claimed to have seen the bent antenna and the work done on the tower the following day. I am only going to use only one of those witnesses because he is already known to CIT and as such protects others from harrassment by them. That witness is Shinki Paik, Edward's brother who also works at A-One Auto at Ode and Columbia Pike across from the State Police Office.

Shinki told me that he personally saw the bent antenna himself, and made a drawing of the bend on the back of my business card as I watched (and no, like a dummy I did not take the card back). The bend he drew looked just like the bend in the photo above. After returning from my trip, I began investigating this detail further. Lynn Spencer (author, "Touching History") joined me in a FOIA with the State of Virginia for any records of the activity on the tower in the 9/11/2001 time frame. The following is their 12/9/2001 response.

After thorough research by both VDOT and VSP personnel who were present that day, there was no damage to the antenna installation at Columbia Pike, September 11, 12, 2001. In addition, a request for information was directed to the VSP Radio Division, the owner of the antenna in question. They provided further confirmation that there was no damage to the antenna. There is no information that documents any activity on this structure/antenna.

Please let us know if we can help you in any other way.

Kim A. Kile-Davidson
Policy & Planning Specialist
Northern Virginia District

Since Pickering and CIT have asserted that what Edward saw was enhancements to the tower for the FBI/military. I followed up to clarify exactly what work was done.

Just to reiterate, VDOT and VSP found no information that documents any activity or damage on this structure/antenna.

Kim A. Kile-Davidson
Policy & Planning Specialist
Northern Virginia District

The story is not over. Another researcher/author with extensive contacts in the area has joined us to further pursue the matter, but I think it is clear that both of the Paik brothers thought the plane was far enough South of the Annex to encounter the antenna. So much for "Over the Annex and north of Citgo, To crazy land we go;" (kudos’ to WildCat).
 
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Countdown until Rankious starts a thread over at LCF to whine like a baby about this one in 5.....4.....3.....2....1...
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Yes...it is.

Actually no it is not. I for one want to know what was going on with the VSP tower on 9/12. The witnesses claim the antenna was bent. Pickering and CIT claim it was enhancements being done for the FBI/military. Something was evidently going on, but for some reason Virginia is in denial mode. I have my curiosity peaked :)
 
how about, it was bent, but it had to do with normal wear and tear? by the weather? wind? wayward bird or a flock?

why must it be something "phenomenal" when it can be easily explained by normal every day happenings?
 
Does it really matter what caused the bend?

The bottom line here is that Paik assumed it was caused by flight 77. The antenna, I believe is over 300 feet away from the Navy Annex.
 
Interesting.....

One of the questions asked of Mr. Paik:

At about 1:30 he is asked: "You didn't see it come over you.." (Craig didn't put the text up for this questions)

Paik's reply:

"I can not ah see that because at the time I was facing to in the office "

Paik was facing the office when the plane flew by him???

Please, someone else listen to this and tell me what he is saying!
 
Amazing.

Shinki didn't see the plane at all and Edward clearly admits to not seeing it hit the antenna.

Furthermore the VDOT openly states that the antenna wasn't hit (and that the FBI added communications to the antenna the next day explaining why there were workers on it) and the photographs reveal NO damage to the antenna!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/Pentagon folder 2/towertopcompare.jpg

Furthermore Edward definitively places the plane north of Columbia Pike.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/paikheading.gif
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/911-1.jpg

So there is NOTHING to support the notion that it was hit while all the evidence supports that it wasn't.

Yet 911files defiantly ignores the evidence as well as what the VDOT says as if they are trying to cover up the notion that the plane hit the antenna proving it was on the official flight path!

It's rather sad and shows you the incredible desperation resorted to here by intellectually dishonest people willing to say anything to spin the evidence.

Please note that this was edited for Rule 4.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady
 
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Oh and I'm sure that many here already know that Pickering was CIT's nemesis (until, like 911files, he "quit" the movement because of CIT) and 100% supportive of a 757 physical impact and therefore would have been quite happy at the time to have confirmation that it hit the antenna on the official flight path.

911files certainly knows this as well so when he says this....

This was of course not what Russell Pickering and friends wanted to hear

...it can only be a deliberate lie in a blatant attempt to manipulate the jref forum readers who happen to be unaware of this otherwise well known fact.

Also...P4T have already proven with math that if the plane really was on the top of the VDOT antenna that the descent and pull-up to hit light pole #1 at 784 feet per second would be physically impossible.

VDOT_Pent_Alt_a.jpg
 
Apparently, the pages full of puking words aren't working, so the .gif of Edward Paik pointing along AA77's flight path has been modified.

Here's the original taken from the video....

[qimg]http://www.911myths.com/images/f/fe/Edwardpointsnorth.gif[/qimg]





And now, here's the modified version currently appearing in all of the spammed graphics......

[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/paikheading.gif[/qimg]
 
Furthermore the VDOT openly states that the antenna wasn't hit (and that the FBI added communications to the antenna the next day explaining why there were workers on it) and the photographs reveal NO damage to the antenna!
So the sub-human's that claim the FBI is lying and covering up 9/11 suddenly tell the truth about the VDOT antenna. you just joined the ranks of the ignored. Congratulations on your demotion.
 
Apparently, the pages full of puking words aren't working, so the .gif of Edward Paik pointing along AA77's flight path has been modified.

Here's the original taken from the video....

[qimg]http://www.911myths.com/images/f/fe/Edwardpointsnorth.gif[/qimg]





And now, here's the modified version currently appearing in all of the spammed graphics......

[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/paikheading.gif[/qimg]

Ranquisamo being dishonest. Who would have thunk?
 
Would someone show me where I claim that the plane hit the tower? CIT's star witness Edward Paik and his brother claim it hit the tower. The key point is, which TLB cannot ignore, is that whether it did or not, Edward Paik certainly thought it was far enough over to hit the tower. South of the Annex...

By the way, Ed Paik was not out on the front sidewalk, so that gif is dishonest.

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He was at best where the arrow indicates. CIT has a problem with Edward Paik and his brother. They are quite specific. They did not see work and then infer that the antenna was bent, THEY SAW THE ANTENNA BENT, that is their claim. So, we are left with a quandary.

1) Ed and Shinki are lying about the antenna. This of course means they are most likely lying about everything else.
2) CIT and Pickering are lying about the antenna "upgrades".
3) The State of Virginia is lying about there being no damage as claimed by the Paik brothers or upgrades claimed by CIT and Pickering.

Which is it TLB?
 
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Please consider the pic below. I roughly overlaid a Google Earth sat image with a graphic of the Pentagon showing the "offical" final path of the jet (top right corner)

Could someone from the CIT side draw a line on it indicating the likely NOC path of the jet, taking into account Morin's, Paik's and Lagasses' opinion? Remember Morin asserts the jet would have hit the Air Force Memorial (had it existed).

Also, perhaps someone else could do similar indicating a possible South of Citgo approach which lines up with the graphics?

The red arrow shows Morins approximate position the yellow arrow the position of the Air Force Memorial.

The graphic indicates both a NOC and a SOC approach would have required some measure of banking on behalf of the aircraft (the former especially) for Morin's observations to be true.
Were there witnesses who reported such banking necessary for either approach? I'm playing the Devil's Advocate a little I know but I think there is a heavy point to be made about the notorious unreliability of eyewitness evidence.


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BV
 
Oh and I'm sure that many here already know that Pickering was CIT's nemesis [...]

Could you define the bolded term above for me, please? The working definition I have of "nemesis" doesn't make sense to me in this context.

Also, could you describe why you believe the "hockey stick" flight path is in any way credible? As we've explained endless times, just because you can come up with one example of an impossible, idiotic flight path, it doesn't mean that every flight path is equally impossible or idiotic. The formal fallacy is Affirming the Consequent, if you have any lingering doubts about your error.
 
Interesting.....

One of the questions asked of Mr. Paik:

At about 1:30 he is asked: "You didn't see it come over you.." (Craig didn't put the text up for this questions)

Paik's reply:

"I can not ah see that because at the time I was facing to in the office "

Paik was facing the office when the plane flew by him???

Please, someone else listen to this and tell me what he is saying!

Perhaps his brother's account (he is hard to understand as well) will help.

http://aal77.com/witness/witness%20audios/shinki_paik.mp3

Edward was in the office and then stepped outside.
 
Why is CIT editing the GIF? The GIF show Paik pointing south. Paik thus confirms the official story. CIT edits the GIF making it look like he points north.

Wasn't this all about uncovering the "Truth".

Does anyone have a transcript of Paik's testimony so I can compare?
 
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Also, could you describe why you believe the "hockey stick" flight path is in any way credible? As we've explained endless times, just because you can come up with one example of an impossible, idiotic flight path, it doesn't mean that every flight path is equally impossible or idiotic. The formal fallacy is Affirming the Consequent, if you have any lingering doubts about your error.

If I read this correct CIT/PfT gave ONE EXAMPLE, and this PROOFS the possibility for the NoC flightpath is?

But on 9/11 TWO EXAMPLES of skyscrapers collapsing due to damage and fire CANNOT PROOF this to have happened, because there are no other examples?

Okay, carry on! [/OT]
 

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