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Something Steven Jones should have a look at

Senenmut said:
so first off, do u believe this is an oxy-acetylene torch cut? is this a definate? ive heard all different kinds of stuff from debunkers like a thermite torch or a plasma cutter.

from what i remember, this a 4 inch piece of steel?

why is slag running down the front? from what i understand, the slag needs to be pushed out the back in order for it to cut right. the slag is just going to solidify in the cut if its not pushed through the back when it cuts.

how long would it take to cut through 4 inches of steel?

and when u say "most of the slag is blown clear" can u explain please? a hell of alot is dripping down the front compared to the youtube vid of oxy-acetylene torch cuts that have little or no slag?
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with the right setup you could cut that in a few minutes
obviously senenmut you have never held a torch

for everyone else i think you misunderstood me
i wasnt talking about the angle that the entire beam was cut on (there were lots of beams cut flat)
look closely at the pic again but only the face i circled here
cutbeam1.jpg

im talking about the slits at a 45 degree angle on the cut face (from outside to inside)
these are the torch marks
it was a fast sloppy cut (obviously speed was required not neat cuts) the slag was blown out the back of the cut and onto the front of the beam
explosives thermite whatever you want to think would never have left those marks
 
Senenmut said:
so first off, do u believe this is an oxy-acetylene torch cut? is this a definate? ive heard all different kinds of stuff from debunkers like a thermite torch or a plasma cutter.

from what i remember, this a 4 inch piece of steel?

why is slag running down the front? from what i understand, the slag needs to be pushed out the back in order for it to cut right. the slag is just going to solidify in the cut if its not pushed through the back when it cuts.

how long would it take to cut through 4 inches of steel?

and when u say "most of the slag is blown clear" can u explain please? a hell of alot is dripping down the front compared to the youtube vid of oxy-acetylene torch cuts that have little or no slag?
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I've used cutting torches, when you use them to cut metal you press a trigger for an oxygen jet, you tend to get a shower of sparks (slag being blown clear). A lot of this depends on the thickness of the metal though, the thicker the metal that has to be cut, the more residual slag there will be left after the cut is made.
 
Senenmut said:
so first off, do u believe this is an oxy-acetylene torch cut? is this a definate? ive heard all different kinds of stuff from debunkers like a thermite torch or a plasma cutter.

from what i remember, this a 4 inch piece of steel?

why is slag running down the front? from what i understand, the slag needs to be pushed out the back in order for it to cut right. the slag is just going to solidify in the cut if its not pushed through the back when it cuts.

how long would it take to cut through 4 inches of steel?

and when u say "most of the slag is blown clear" can u explain please? a hell of alot is dripping down the front compared to the youtube vid of oxy-acetylene torch cuts that have little or no slag?
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Have you see this pic yet, Senenmut?

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9. Workmen cutting beams in the wreckage. Conspiracy theorists are for some reason obsessed with the idea that thermite was used in 9/11, in spite of the fact that thermite is used for cutting and welding, and never in demolitions (indeed, it would be practically impossible to set it up). They cite neatly cut beams as evidence of thermite being used, but ignore the fact that beams were neatly cut up by workmen operating after the collapse.

Taken from "Top Ten Photos 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts Hate"
 
rules of the forum...hotlinking...you know.

I agree though, she is almost as much of a shock to the sensorum.

TAM:)
 
Justin39640 said:
for everyone else i think you misunderstood me
i wasnt talking about the angle that the entire beam was cut on (there were lots of beams cut flat)
look closely at the pic again but only the face i circled here
....

these are the torch marks
it was a fast sloppy cut (obviously speed was required not neat cuts) the slag was blown out the back of the cut and onto the front of the beam
explosives thermite whatever you want to think would never have left those marks
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I just wanted to mention this; Thanks for pointing it out, I'd never noticed that detail before, and now that you have pointed it out, it's obvious. It's the little details like this that really show the difference between someone who really knows what they're talking about, and some guy just spouting off.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Have you see this pic yet, Senenmut?

[qimg]http://www.layscience.net/files/wtc/9.jpg[/qimg]
9. Workmen cutting beams in the wreckage. Conspiracy theorists are for some reason obsessed with the idea that thermite was used in 9/11, in spite of the fact that thermite is used for cutting and welding, and never in demolitions (indeed, it would be practically impossible to set it up). They cite neatly cut beams as evidence of thermite being used, but ignore the fact that beams were neatly cut up by workmen operating after the collapse.

Taken from "Top Ten Photos 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts Hate"
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it looks like to me the guy is on the back side of the column which would make since that the slag is on that side. too bad we cant see the back of the column where he is cutting.
 
Justin39640 said:
with the right setup you could cut that in a few minutes
obviously senenmut you have never held a torch

for everyone else i think you misunderstood me
i wasnt talking about the angle that the entire beam was cut on (there were lots of beams cut flat)
look closely at the pic again but only the face i circled here
[qimg]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7987/cutbeam1.jpg[/qimg]
im talking about the slits at a 45 degree angle on the cut face (from outside to inside)
these are the torch marks
it was a fast sloppy cut (obviously speed was required not neat cuts) the slag was blown out the back of the cut and onto the front of the beam
explosives thermite whatever you want to think would never have left those marks
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just to be sure, you are stating it is an oxy-acetylene torch cut right? do all agree on this?
people have spouted thermite lance and plasma cutter as well.
 
Senenmut said:
so first off, do u believe this is an oxy-acetylene torch cut? is this a definate? ive heard all different kinds of stuff from debunkers like a thermite torch or a plasma cutter.

from what i remember, this a 4 inch piece of steel?

why is slag running down the front? from what i understand, the slag needs to be pushed out the back in order for it to cut right. the slag is just going to solidify in the cut if its not pushed through the back when it cuts.

how long would it take to cut through 4 inches of steel?

and when u say "most of the slag is blown clear" can u explain please? a hell of alot is dripping down the front compared to the youtube vid of oxy-acetylene torch cuts that have little or no slag?
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here you go
debunked

again
burnthrough.jpg
 
peteweaver said:
I was walking into Kinlochleven on monday, following the route of the West Highland Way.

Walking down from the blackwater hydroelectric power station along the alcan service road, I noticed this piece of steel propping up a barrier.

Its self evident that it has not been sawn, it has signs of having melted, and in all likelihood by an Oxy Acetylene cutting torch.

There were many more that had been cut just like this one.
The cuts resemble the cuts made to wtc steel cut during the cleanup.
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Were there iron spheres in the area?! :confused::confused:

;)
 
phunk said:
He showed you why the slag is on the outside of the beam (on the side facing us at least), they cut through from the other side.
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did u notice that he is cutting horizontally at the base. the angle cut beam looks about 6 feet off the debris pile. and with the angle cut, im not sure how they would "cut through from the other side" to produce all that slag on the outside since "the other side" would be at the top of the beam (about 3 feet up).
are you going along with it being an oxy-acetylene torch cut? just curious.
 
Here comes the train

peteweaver said:
I was walking into Kinlochleven on monday, following the route of the West Highland Way.

Walking down from the blackwater hydroelectric power station along the alcan service road, I noticed this piece of steel propping up a barrier.

Its self evident that it has not been sawn, it has signs of having melted, and in all likelihood by an Oxy Acetylene cutting torch.

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There were many more that had been cut just like this one.
The cuts resemble the cuts made to wtc steel cut during the cleanup.
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You know what that steel was originally? and what they use to fuse sections of it together don't you?
 
Senenmut said:
did u notice that he is cutting horizontally at the base. the angle cut beam looks about 6 feet off the debris pile. and with the angle cut, im not sure how they would "cut through from the other side" to produce all that slag on the outside since "the other side" would be at the top of the beam (about 3 feet up).
are you going along with it being an oxy-acetylene torch cut? just curious.
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you think they stopped excavating the debris when they made the cut? are you that stupid? Or do you NEED to believe conspiracy to support your feelings of being powerless?
 
Senenmut said:
did u notice that he is cutting horizontally at the base. the angle cut beam looks about 6 feet off the debris pile. and with the angle cut, im not sure how they would "cut through from the other side" to produce all that slag on the outside since "the other side" would be at the top of the beam (about 3 feet up).
are you going along with it being an oxy-acetylene torch cut? just curious.
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yes
thats an oxy-acetylene torch
you can tell
portable plasma cutters would be no good on steel that thick
not to mention they need external AC power supply

the best fastest easiest way to cut all that metal was good old fashioned 6000+ degree oxy-acetylene
all you need is 2 tanks, a cart, regulators, a twin hose, and the torch, (striker or a lighter too lol)
like i said those marks are tell tale
from what i gather
the use of a "thermite torch" is to join metal not cut it
other than very short burning setups that would be impractical to use in a debris field like GZ

thermite torch examples

 
as far as the front cut
looks like there might have been a hole there already
since cutting to where theres no metal is easier than going all the way around, this might also account for the reason it was cut on a 45 degree angle for the entire beam rather than flat
since an angled cut would be more work than cuttin it flush (longer cuts on 2 of 4 sides)
 
A W Smith said:
You know what that steel was originally? and what they use to fuse sections of it together don't you?
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I know what you're getting at, but these supports are a bit too light weight to have been rails (well at least too lightweight to have been used for main line rolling stock).

Btw, on British railways, rails tend to have bolt & plate joins rather than thermite welds.

 
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Senenmut said:
maybe u can explain why these Oxy Acetylene torch cuts dont have slag dripping down the column.

start at about 1:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgS...C2BEB41E8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7
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It is not necessary to show a picture of someone making an angled cut to know that the angled cut was made after the collapses and not before. Deductive reasoning is sufficient.

(A) Photo of corner of WTC1 near WTC6, top right of picture, showing 12 “candlesticks” remaining after the collapse (one column at the first floor branching into three columns above).

http://www.studyof911.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=2350&fullsize=1

(B) Video of demolition contractor facing WTC6 showing three candlesticks left at the same WTC1 corner facing WTC6 after nine others have been cut at an angle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyBuANVkQ4&eurl=http://debunking911.com/thermite.htm

… At this corner (A) the nine candlestick columns were removed by the wrecking crew after the collapse. (B) The welder’s cuts they made to remove the columns were at an angle, with or without slag. QED…
 
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