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Zeuzzz said:
Plasma scaling

Plasmas can create very similar structers, from microscopic to galactic size, many plasma experiments have mimiced the shape structure and form of galaxies using the EM forces the plasma contains.
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Note the word "mimicked". I can mimick a galaxy in my bath by rotating water around therefore the galaxy is controlled by the forces in water :rolleyes: :D !
The next step an any simulation is show that it happens in the real world. Where are your observations of galactic-sized plasmoids?
 
Reality Check said:
Note the word "mimicked". I can mimick a galaxy in my bath by rotating water around therefore the galaxy is controlled by the forces in water :rolleyes: :D !
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You need to stop getting your analogies from Baut. No-one is claiming any similarities between a vortex effect in a bath and galaxies :confused: . What a stupid analogy. Plasma experiments can be applied to the cosmos as the cosmos is 99.999% plasma. Vortex's formed in baths are not occuring in plasma (although they do actually arrise from weak EM effects anyway)

The next step an any simulation is show that it happens in the real world. Where are your observations of galactic-sized plasmoids?
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When you look at a galaxy. That is a direct observation of what has been produced in plasma experiments, which I will post here soon
 
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Reality Check said:
They were even more "surprised" when computer models using Big Bang cosmology produced filaments.
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Computer models that contained "something" called dark matter that was distributed in such a way that it would form filaments?

And you know what else is interesting about articles on this topic and the computer model?

They don't mention plasma and the model doesn't include electromagnetic effects. They modeled neutral gas and used methods more suited to studying our atmosphere and water. They don't seem to recognize that plasmas behave very differently than neutral gas in the presence of electromagnetic fields ... which we know exist out there. Notice also that they don't seem to recognize that electromagnetic effects naturally tend to organize plasmas into long filaments. You suppose they might be missing the obvious?

GIGO? :D

By the way, you should know that they haven't yet detected the type of filaments their model predicts. Time will tell. ;)
 
Zeuzzz said:
I'm pressed for time, but I will provide some evidence over the next couple of days for EM plasma scaling and some of the various experiments that have been conducted. I'll also post some of the sucessful predictions plasma cosmology proponents have made.
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Hand-wave!!! :jaw-dropp
 
Reality Check said:
It depends - the singularity has zero size, the event horizon depends on the black hole mass.
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The size of the event horizon of a black hole is also called the Schwartzchild radius, and it's equal to...

R = 2GM / c2
where G is the universal gravitational constant, M is the mass of the black hole (in kg), and c is the speed of light. So a billion-sun mass (which is M = 109 * 2x1030 kg) should come out to...

R = 2 * 6.67x10-11 Nm2/kg2 * 109 * 2x1030 kg / (3x108 m/sec)2
R = 2.96x1012 meters
 
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Reality Check said:
I can mimick a galaxy in my bath by rotating water around
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Actually, you can't, since your bath water isn't a plasma under the influence of electromagnetic effects.

But you do demonstrate the selective blindness of mainstream supporters ... treating the galaxy once again as if it were a neutral fluid.

Your motto is ANYTHING but electricity. And the latest gnome is dark energy stars. Ever hear of them, RC? :D
 
BeAChooser - stop relying on overblown media reports and try looking through the literature. From Dunkley et al. (2008)'s weak lensing section:
'A study was done with the WMAP first-year data combined with a sample of LRGs from SDSS, but no signal was detected, consistent with theoretical expectation (Hirata et al. 2004). Two recent analyses have found the first evidence for the cross-correlated lensing signal (Smith et al. 2007; Hirata et al. 2008). They use the three-year WMAP data correlated with NVSS radio sources (Smith et al. 2007), finding a 3.4σ detection of the correlation, and WMAP combined with data from NVSS and SDSS, using both LRGS and quasars (Hirata et al. 2008), finding a correlation with a 2.1σ level of significance. The cross-correlation in both cases is consistent with the five-year WMAP ΛCDM model.
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The gravitational lensing signature is there, and consistent with the standard cosmology.

As for the SZ effect. It's tricky to detect, but it is detectable. It's been seen for several Abell clusters I believe. It's not missing. I'll let you find it yourself, it's not hard.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Flap... flap... flap... MORE Hand-Waving!!! :yikes:
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Well you might just have to eat your hat tomorrow, we'll just have to see wont we.

So are you saying you think there is no such material?

Its going to take a while to assemble the material, and that is not hand waving, it called telling you what I plan to do. Goodnight.
 
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Zeuzzz said:
Plasma scaling

Plasmas can create very similar structers, from microscopic to galactic size, many plasma experiments have mimiced the shape structure and form of galaxies using the EM forces the plasma contains.
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Yes, and because we can observe simple harmonic oscillators on lab benches, this is proof positive of string theory! Where's my Nobel Prize? ;)
 
Reality Check said:
It depends - the singularity has zero size
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Well in this case, the scientist was talking about that billion sun mass, not the event horizon.

So why didn't the scientist just say the billion sun mass collapses to a point with ... well .... zero size?
 
Zeuzzz said:
Well you might just have to eat your hat tomorrow, we'll just have to see wont we.

So are you saying you think there is no such material?

Its going to take a while to assemble the material, and that is not hand waving, it called telling you what I plan to do.
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The thing that's so interesting is that you've spent so many posts talking up your EU-PU woo-nonsense, screwing up physics all along the way, and when a group of us demand a simple statement outlining a prediction or a test of your pet "theory"...

... suddenly you cannot post something. You have to go "look it up" or "dig through the material". It's now going to "take some time."

Gee whiz, given all the things you've been saying, one would think that you'd have had the info at your fingertips the entire time... :rolleyes:

Fine, post something else. I'm fairly certain that it'll get torn to shreds in short order. That's my prediction.
 
BeAChooser said:
We all noticed you had NO response whatsoever to my post on filaments earlier in this thread ... when you denied they are made of plasma.

Were you just hand waving, MM?
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No dice pal. It was clearly outlined by both me and many others... that you are erroneously assuming only baryonic matter in your calculation. In fact, such baryonic matter makes up only about 4% of the matter & energy that we observe in the universe.

Sigh... for the lurkers, it was all posted here in post #149 by Reality Check and in post #158 by me.

It was at that point that all you woo-niacs decided to start butchering the physics of black holes.

Sorry, but no cigar. Try recycling some more garbage...
 
BeAChooser said:
Actually, you can't, since your bath water isn't a plasma under the influence of electromagnetic effects.

But you do demonstrate the selective blindness of mainstream supporters ... treating the galaxy once again as if it were a neutral fluid.

Your motto is ANYTHING but electricity. And the latest gnome is dark energy stars. Ever hear of them, RC? :D
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My original sarcastic and humorous statement was:
"I can mimic a galaxy in my bath by rotating water around therefore the galaxy is controlled by the forces in water". :D:rolleyes:

Compare this to Zeuzzz's claim which was basically:
We can mimic a galaxy in a plasma therefore the galaxy is controlled by the forces in plasma.

And he is serious!

My motto is "anything that is supported by lots and lots of evidence". Is your motto "Nothing but electricity even with the lack of a large body of evidence"?
 
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