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Something from Nothing?

'Nothing' does not exist, Iacchus, it the absense of existance.
This is not the question though ... Was there ever time when only nothing existed? Or, what was the something that existed before the Universe began?

If you're saying that the Universe occurred as a result of the Big Bang, meaning the Universe did not exist prior to that and, that this "thing" which the Universe began to expand into which, is the same thing you refer to as "nothing" that currently exists/not-exists outside of it, what is the Universe expanding into? ... if not nothing and/or something? It would seem to me you've just discovered the existence of a fifth dimension. :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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This is not the question though ... Was there ever time when only nothing existed? Or, what was the something that existed before the Universe began?

If you're saying that the Universe occurred as a result of the Big Bang, meaning the Universe did not exist prior that and, that this "thing" which the Universe began to expand into which, is the same thing you refer to as "nothing" that currently exists/not-exists outside of it, what is the Universe expanding into? ... if not nothing and/or something? It would seem to me you've just discovered the existence of a fifth dimension. :eek: :eek: :eek:
Everything about this post screams out that you still do not get "nothing". If there was a time, there was not nothing. If it existed, it was not nothing. If it expands, or is expanded into, it is not nothing.

What we have discovered is merely another area of your willful ignorance.
 
I'm almost starting to believe we are living in a matrix...

Everytime Iacchus starts a new thread he seems to undergo somekind of a mindwipe. :D
 
I'm almost starting to believe we are living in a matrix...

Everytime Iacchus starts a new thread he seems to undergo somekind of a mindwipe. :D
If I were cynical, I would suggest that he hopes that it would be the rest of us who do not remember his past arguments. Keep watching, you will see that the initiation of new threads is directly proportional to how trapped he is in old threads.
 
Two dimensions is not "nothing".
How so? A second dimemsion can only exist if there are two oppossing surfaces, where each surface represents a dimension containing its own volume if you will. Hence you have dimension A, containing its own volume and extending out as far as its surface, pressing against dimension B, it too containing its own volume and extending out as far as its surface as well. So really all you have is dimension A, pressed up against dimension B with, nothing in-between! This "is" the nothing that you folks are looking at! :eye-poppi :eye-poppi :eye-poppi

Yeah, it goes much quicker when you are not constrained by truth.
I hear you there brother! ;)
 
If I were cynical, I would suggest that he hopes that it would be the rest of us who do not remember his past arguments. Keep watching, you will see that the initiation of new threads is directly proportional to how trapped he is in old threads.
Actually, I was considering starting a thread on the fifth dimension, but figured you had enough of me for one day. Maybe I'll sneak it in later, huh? :D
 
How so? A second dimemsion can only exist if there are two oppossing surfaces, where each surface represents a dimension containing its own volume if you will. Hence you have dimension A, containing its own volume and extending out as far as its surface, pressing against dimension B, it too containing its own volume and extending out as far as its surface as well. So, really all you have is dimension A, pressed up against dimension B with, nothing in-between! This "is" the nothing that you folks are looking at! :eye-poppi :eye-poppi :eye-poppi
:notm This is not the "nothing" we speak of. It is two dimensions, which is (read carefully) not nothing. It does not have volume, but it does have area; it is not nothing.
 
Actually, I was considering starting a thread on the fifth dimension, but figured you had enough of me for one day. Maybe I'll sneak it in later, huh? :D
Iacchus, you have enough problems with three dimensions. Why start a thread on yet another thing you do not understand and yet have no interest in learning about?
 
:notm This is not the "nothing" we speak of. It is two dimensions, which is (read carefully) not nothing. It does not have volume, but it does have area; it is not nothing.
Well, whatever you wish to call it, it's the pressing up of one surface area against another, of which there is "nothing" in between ... except perhaps tension and vibration.
 
Well, whatever you wish to call it, it's the pressing up of one surface area against another, of which there is "nothing" in between ... except perhaps tension and vibration.
Oh, and let's not forget emf as well ... which, is what's induced across this so-called "hidden" layer.
 
Lets try this another way, Iacchus.

There is no 'outside' to the universe. You can never 'leave' the universe. Anywhere you ever could go, ever, where something exists, is, by definition, 'inside' the universe. All there is, is the universe. Just us, and nothing more.

Now, this doesn't stop there being, for example, other universes. But we can never know them, we can never see them, we can neve understand them. We are, by our very nature, 'bound' to 'this' universe. Since we are 'bound' to 'this' universe, then we must obey its laws. 'Outside' the universe, there are no laws, and as such, we could not exist. By definition, there is no 'outside' of the universe. We are enclosed in the 'balloon' that is the universe, and we can never, ever, leave. Ever.
 
Well, whatever you wish to call it, it's the pressing up of one surface area against another, of which there is "nothing" in between ... except perhaps tension and vibration.
:notm There are not two areas. If there were identifiable areas, both would be part of the universe.

There is no "tension".

There is no "vibration".

What is so difficult about admitting that you do not know, Iacchus? Why do you quite plainly make [rule8] up, instead of finding out?
 
Antithesis

We exists between many parallel universe as enstein stated, yet we ask ourselves whether we are limited to this existance or not. In fact the best examples to explain time would say we are not bound to this very universe, since every other parallel universe mirrors the variables and the many different degrees of similarities and changes that can occur with even the smallest electron out of place. We in fact are switching between these parallel universe, for brief moments we are equivalent to that of another universe, but because it reached that point before us, it changes simaltamously, thus we become it and it becomes something new all together.

For the sake of explaining this is a metaphoric example:

Imagine an infinite number of trains (each represent a parallel universe) that normally runs on a specific track (matches the timeline of that universe's current degrees of existance such as where every molecule and atom is at what time, if that changes then we are no long under the same degrees). If those trains change the degrees of their universe by spliting an atom, making a decision that affects who gets to work and who doesnt, we dont follow the set timeline that the universe has planned and thus change to a new timeline of events( in turn the trains switch track to a track that matches it's current variables and degrees). We are not bound to this universe, since in every universe exists point where the laws of physics, time, and space no longer are set but are considered non existant( In other terms black holes are the point that scientist and astronomers believe time, space, and physics no long apply as a constant at some points it changes or is non existant all together). We are surrounded by proof that states that we are set on a pre-determined destiny, though contradictions with free will are present that is not the case, sense we can choose to make decisions that will, metaphoricly(switch tracks).We are not bound by the laws of this universe if for a brief moment all matter and light can exist in the center of a black hole.

If you ask what center?, your correct and wrong; Black holes have a super dense mass located in the center of the event horizon. It reminds you of the core to a star that has cooled, compacted by the force, which strenghts as more matter and light are trapped, of the blackhole. In turn the light a black hole traps is used to compress the matter at a sub atomic level (hollow atoms that represent the same atoms that have lost their energy after being split) which makes the black hole denser and denser.

Before you state that their are constants in our universe, you should consider that there may be exceptions. The truth is that our universe is one in the same of an infinite number of possible universes that eventually will gain the properties of another universe, as we transition into theirs. If you don't understand this I will restate the above in the simplist terms I can use:

Each of these four universe represent some similarities and differences, which means you may live different lives on each of these possible universe, but the laws of physics, time, space, and the location of every atom and electron determine the differences that exist between them(Even if one electron is out of place from that of another universe and all other factors are the same, we are different to the smallest and most extreme degrees. These degrees of change affect the variables that will determine which universe you are currently in or will be in. In turn it is predicting time, only if you could tell where every thing from electrons to atoms in turn all matter, then you could predict where things will colliade, etc. You could determine where the golf ball would land or when the next sun would collapse.)
H represents the track
h represents the transitional track
I represents the path of those transitional changes.
Universe A: Universe B: Universe C: Universe D:
Starting track sequence:
H h H h H h H

H h H h H h H
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIhH h H h H
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIH h H
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIhH



At any time Universe A could switch to track B, C, D, or not switch at all for a fraction of a second or less. Though you can say that each of these universes are seperate, they are us on different timelines, and as we choose to follow a similar or exact timeline, we replace it; and balance has that timeline switch or change to it's own similar or exact timeline. The shifting occurs on a large scales, so their is always a place for one universe to go, as the other universe is transitioning.
 
:notm There are not two areas. If there were identifiable areas, both would be part of the universe.

There is no "tension".

There is no "vibration".

What is so difficult about admitting that you do not know, Iacchus? Why do you quite plainly make [rule8] up, instead of finding out?
If the Universe were in fact a hologram, as I have suggested, how would this hologram be acheived, except by some means of electro-magnetic field or, vibration? Also, "what" would exist on the other side of this hologram ... as a means of generating it that is?
 
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And perhaps these "quantum fluctuations" occur as a result of the second dimensional "layer" that exists between the read/write mechanism of God's harddrive -- or, whatever mean He uses -- and the holographic field/dimension that we live in? :)

That would be an interesting theory...


... if it explained anything or made any prediction....


...which it doesn't.
 
This is not the question though ... Was there ever time when only nothing existed? Or, what was the something that existed before the Universe began?

There was no before. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that the universe (that is, our local spacetime bubble) ceases to exist. There is still SOMETHING there. No space, no time, no matter or energy, but there's still something (a singularity, if I'm not mistaken.)
 

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