Some Trump electors voting illegally

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Researchers claim that more than 50 Trump electors are not legally entitled to vote in the Electoral College because they either hold other offices or they do not live in the district they represent:
More than 50 Electoral College members who voted for Donald Trump were ineligible to serve as presidential electors because they did not live in the congressional districts they represented or held elective office in states legally barring dual officeholders.
http://www.salon.com/2017/01/05/at-...-as-electoral-college-members-report_partner/

But I guess this isn't what the Repubs mean when they rail against election fraud.
 
From the link:
“We have a list of 50 illegal electors,” Clayton said. “That puts Donald Trump below the threshold that he needs to be elected president. Let’s debate it in an open session. According to the Constitution, the Congress, if nobody wins on the first round of balloting, picks from the top three candidates. That will be Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and Colin Powell.”
It would be nice if Congress voted in Powell instead of Trump. Otherwise I don't see how Congress elects anyone but Trump.
 
Wouldn't the Congress be obliged to appoint the candidate who won the popular vote? Not that I'm a Clinton fan. I think I would much prefer Powell even though he is a Republican.
 
Wouldn't the Congress be obliged to appoint the candidate who won the popular vote? Not that I'm a Clinton fan. I think I would much prefer Powell even though he is a Republican.

No. Why would they? The whole point is that the Electoral College decides, and if they fail the Congress decides. What is this "popular vote" of which you speak?
 
No. Why would they? The whole point is that the Electoral College decides, and if they fail the Congress decides. What is this "popular vote" of which you speak?
I vaguely recall there was an election on 8-Nov last year where all the USA was invited to choose a presidential candidate, and one candidate got more votes than any other.

That vote.
 
I vaguely recall there was an election on 8-Nov last year where all the USA was invited to choose a presidential candidate, and one candidate got more votes than any other.
That vote.

And that's the candidate who lost. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a word about the popular vote for President. For this purpose, there's no such thing.
 
And that's the candidate who lost. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a word about the popular vote for President. For this purpose, there's no such thing.
...who lost the Electoral College vote. But I believe we are discussing the situation that the Electoral College process was somehow invalidated. Ergo that particular vote is no longer relevant to the discussion.

From there, Congress gets into the act, and gets to choose from the current slate of candidates. But they are not constricted by the Electoral College process because they are not that body. I don't know the process, so I asked the question: Would not the most obvious and logical solution be to look at the popular vote counts from the presidential election that they all just contested and choose the most popular? An easy and simple decision that can be easily justified to anyone and history...something all legislative bodies dearly like?
 
Sounds like more desperate flailing to me.

Would any of these criteria by which they deem the electors to be ineligible have applied to the electors who voted in Obama in 2008 or 2012? Did anyone care then?

It's over guys, really. Trump is going to be sworn in on the 20th, and it's time to face the facts. It's not going to be undone by some obscure legal technicality.
 
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I like this sort of legal trivia an nitpicking. I find it interesting. So, I checked out the article.

Sadly, as interesting as it is, it's a legal fail.

First, the objections to the electors are mostly based on a "dual office" objection. Many states have provisions that an individual may not simultaneously hold more than one state office. e.g. They can't be the state Attorney General and be the state Secretary of State. The claim is that therefore they cannot be both Attorney General and an elector. It is unclear to me that "elector" is an office. Maybe some states have specific definitions of exactly what constitutes an "office", and elector qualifies, but in the absence of such a definition, I would assume that elector isn't an office.

The other claim is that electors do not live in the districts they represent. I suppose this must be related to some provision in state law, because there's nothing in federal law about that.

But, suppose that it were found that the electors really were unqualified based on the laws of their states. What would be the remedy? Invalidate that state's electoral vote? Surely not. The remedy would be to order the states to appoint a substitute elector in accordance with their own state law, and they would appoint a new Trump elector.

There is one relevant aspect of this lawsuit. It shows how fragile our electoral system is. This antiquated notion of the electoral college creates opportunities for political mischief that could be quite dangerous. The truth is that over 200 million people are eligible to vote, but 538 people elect a president. Those 538 people have the freedom in some cases to vote for whomever they wish. In other cases, they are constrained by state law, which means there are opportunities for meddling. Meanwhile, there is a congressional role which, in theory, could invalidate some of those 538 votes. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
 
This whole case is rather senseless without checking the electors from both sides and looking back historically. My bet is that performance has been poor for some time.
 
I vaguely recall there was an election on 8-Nov last year where all the USA was invited to choose a presidential candidate, and one candidate got more votes than any other.

That vote.
Your recollection is incorrect. There was an election last year where the fifty states in the Union were invited to nominate the candidate their state electors should vote for.

There wasn't a popular election. There were fifty popular elections, and Hillary lost most of them.
 
Your recollection is incorrect. There was an election last year where the fifty states in the Union were invited to nominate the candidate their state electors should vote for.

Hey, just let them console their loser mentality. It makes them feel good!

The EC is NEVER going to go away no matter how many sore losers cry and complain when they lose. The only thing that could actually happen is that more States might go to proportional distribution of Electors, as opposed to winner take all.

What smaller State is going to vote to allow major urban centers in CA and NY decide a Presidential election? The answer is none.

Congressional elections by popular vote is fine because people within districts usually have common interests. However, a farmer in Iowa or a rancher in Utah has very little common interest with city dwellers in LA and NYC. The urban dwellers don't know grass from a woolen carpet or a tree from a lamp post, so they don't get to exclusively decide the chief executive. It's a good system that properly represents the whole, so it won't change in the next 1,000 years.
 
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I vaguely recall there was an election on 8-Nov last year where all the USA was invited to choose a presidential candidate, and one candidate got more votes than any other.

That vote.

That vote never actually happened.

There was an election on 8-Nov last year where all the USA was invited to choose slates of electors in their respective state who had promised to vote for a particular presidential candidate.

;)
 
Researchers claim that more than 50 Trump electors are not legally entitled to vote in the Electoral College because they either hold other offices or they do not live in the district they represent:
I guess the big question is... how common are these problems?

Is this something unique to Trump, or have all presidents had the same issue (potentially invalid electoral college members), but the problem was just ignored because the president-elect was not as contentious as Trump.
 
Electors are not office holders, anywhere. They are chosen by their parties.

Besides, hasn't the combined houses already certified the elector's decision? Hey, what was the vote to approve certification? 535-0? Or is it only the Senate, 100-0?
 
Electors are not office holders, anywhere. They are chosen by their parties.

Besides, hasn't the combined houses already certified the elector's decision? Hey, what was the vote to approve certification? 535-0? Or is it only the Senate, 100-0?

How are electors different from house members? why is one an office but the other is not?
 
How are electors different from house members? why is one an office but the other is not?

Because they do not hold office, electors are not recognized by the chair and do not participate in the daily duties of the House. They cannot debate, vote, bring resolutions, participate, or otherwise function as an elected representative. They do not hold an office recognized by the House because they were never elected by their state to become a House Representative.

It is more than simple.
 
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Because they do not hold office, electors are not recognized by the chair and do not participate in the daily duties of the House. They cannot debate, vote, bring resolutions, participate, or otherwise function as an elected representative.

It is more than simple.

I didn't say they were members of the house. Senators do not participate in the daily duties of the house, but they hold office.

How is house member an office under the constitution but an elector is not an office? What is different between the two that matters?
 

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