Some simple Tower 7 questions

[Class]

Ward Churchill has a BA and MA in Communications from Sangamon State

• • Professor of Ethnic Studies at University of Colorado, Boulder
  • Regards the victims of 9/11 as "Little Eichmanns"
  • Regards America as a genocidal nation
  • Falsified his Indian background to qualify for an affirmative action position in Ethnic Studies
  • Accused of plagiarism
  • Lamented that the terrorism of 9/11 proved "insufficient to accomplish its purpose" of destroying the United States. Commented: "What the hell? It was worth a try."

Ward; the want to be an Indian Guy! He is not a technical field guy!


You need some practice doing better research.

He also lied about his service in Vietnam.

 

[WildCat]

Fuel fire
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Notice anything about fuel fires that are not present at GZ on 9-14-01?

Yours are above ground?

 

[Christopher7]

Wtc 7

This beam was was cut with an acetylene toarch or a shape charge

 

[Pardalis]

You know this how Christopher7?

 

[Wizard]

He also lied about his service in Vietnam.

As did Bush and numerous other Chickenhawks

 

[NobbyNobbs]

FEMA said the collapse was caused primarily by fire. The damage occured in the South West of the bulding yet the initial failure was in the South East under the penthouse.

Ah yes, FEMA....brought to you by the same folks who brought you the Katrina relief efforts.

 

[Christopher7]

You know this how Christopher7?

Steel bends and buckels. It doesnt just break off.

 

[Pardalis]

How do you know it could have been cut by a shape charge?

 

[kookbreaker]

Steel bends and buckels. It doesnt just break off.

You are wrong.

Steel breaks off quite well when it recieves sufficient force.

 

[maccy]

Steel bends and buckels. It doesnt just break off.http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4310/wtc7debris12xq8.jpg

Going back to the original source, and getting a better image resolution, I'd say that a closer look clearly shows that the girders have broken at a join

Do you imagine that the supporting columns were a single piece of steel?

Also, the source is FEMA, so do you trust government documents or not?

 

[Christopher7]

Wizard: FIMA said the collapse was caused primarily by fire.

In actual fact, FIMA hasent got a clue what caused WTC 7 to collapse.

They concluded that thrie debris/fire hypothesis "appears possible" and further analysis is needed.
They have got another 80 boxes of documents to help them figure it out.

Of course this is like trying to determine what caused a plane to crash without looking at the pieces of wreckage.

 

[Pardalis]

Fima?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

They concluded that thrie debris/fire hypothesis "appears possible" and further analysis is needed.

yeah, thats what NIST is working on

 

[Horatius]

Steel bends and buckels. It doesnt just break off.[qimg]http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4310/wtc7debris12xq8.jpg[/qimg]

Tell that to this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gHtf4IIYNY

 

[maccy]

The resolution isn't really good enough, but here's a closer look at those breaks

 

[maccy]

yeah, thats what NIST is working on

Probably worth repeating the suggested reading list here.

Also, I'd add the NIST presentation about WTC7:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC Part IIC - WTC 7 Collapse Final.pdf

This is still being investigated by NIST, but there's some good information here:

FEMA's initial report:

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

NIST's working hypothesis:

http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf

Counterpunch article:

http://www.counterpunch.org/darkfire11282006.html

911 Myths WTC7 page:

http://911myths.com/html/wtc7___silverstein.html

Screwloosechange blog entry on WTC7

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/06/wtc-7.html

Debunking911.com on WTC7

http://www.debunking911.com/WTC72.htm

Gravy's WTC7 Paper (skip part one for the time being)

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.doc (Microsoft Word version)
http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf (Adobe Acrobat PDF version)

Finally, some threads that are relevant to at least some of your questions

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70067
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67656 (gets going once Russell Pickering arrives)
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66010

 

[maccy]

Here are some details of steel fracture:

http://mot.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/mse150/Fracture/Charpy.htm
http://newsdesk.inl.gov/press_releases/2001/11-15steel_fractures.htm
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16250276
http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0256119

 

[Christopher7]

Going back to the original source, and getting a better image resolution, I'd say that a closer look clearly shows that the girders have broken at a join

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/123874580c7c461b06.jpg

Also, the source is FEMA, so do you trust government documents or not?

NO

Thanx for the closeup. Some of those could have broken at the bolt [or rivit] line if that is a bolt line. The bottom part is welded. Seens odd that they would weld the bottom half and bolt the top. In any case thats a very interesting photo.

The one i posted, on the other hand has been cut.

 

[jaydeehess]

Fima?

Yeah, one of the Federal gov't agencies sorta like NEST.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Steel bends and buckels. It doesnt just break off.[qimg]http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4310/wtc7debris12xq8.jpg[/qimg]

Funny, I read this just after getting back fro mwork where we had to deal with a walk-in refrigerator door whose steel hinge snapped due to metal fatigue. The metal itself broke in half, not at a joint.


I wonder, does Christopher7=Christophera?