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Some simple Tower 7 questions

Submersible said:
Oh, the top portion of this building came crashing down and blew the foundation out of the ground like it did in 1&2??
[qimg]http://media.portland.indymedia.org/images/2005/02/310954.jpg[/qimg]
Talk about spewing nonsense !
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No, it did not and why might that be Sub? Could it be that the concrete core columns held onto their connections to the floor trusses and therefore since they(the core columns) did not buckle or twist or soften they slowed the collapsing perimeter steel. Less speed of the collapsing material means les impact on lower floors which in turn means a longer time to absorb that lesser impact.

Submersible said:
Look at this fire ,
[qimg]http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/images/picture/windsor_tower_3.jpg[/qimg]
Compared to the images you have of tower 7
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The images and descriptions of WTC 7 include major damage due to the falling steel from WTC 1. Where in the images of the Windsor do you see the major damage done to it prior to the fire? Yeah, there was no major damage, in fact there was no other damage to the Windsor prior to the fire.



Submersible said:
It's quite sad that the most valuable source of information you have to offer comes from the same source that destroyed all of the evidence from GZ.
I'm just not that gullible Gravy.. and it surprises me how many of you are.
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What is really sad is that you have absolutly no evidence whatsoever and that you simply refuse(so it seems) to even glance at the NIST appendix L report. Wassamadda, you afraid it might just make a case for something you just don't wanna believe in?
 
Kent1 said:
They did? I guess I'd better tell Steven Jones, the guys at Hanger 17 and Fresh Kills that they have fake steel. LOL!
Also see
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2168541&postcount=466
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That's a great post !

As much as 180,000 gallons of flammable oil -- roughly equivalent to 10 times the amount of jet fuel in the two airliners that crashed into the twin towers -- may be feeding the fires that have been burning for more than two months at the site.
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Photo taken on Sept.14.
No fuel oil fires there !
 
jaydeehess said:
What is really sad is that you have absolutly no evidence whatsoever and that you simply refuse(so it seems) to even glance at the NIST appendix L report. Wassamadda, you afraid it might just make a case for something you just don't wanna believe in?
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If your mother called you and said someone is in my house and they are about to kill me, then the phone goes dead, you rush to your mothers house and find that it has been burned to the ground and her body is missing. A man is standing outside and sais, "I did it". He get's arrested.

When the murder trial begins the prosecution doesn't have any evidence to connect him with the murder or arson, would you expect him to tell you the truth about what happened?
That's what you are saying by pointing to the NIST for facts concerning the 9/11 attacks. So I'm certainly not afraid that I MIGHT find something that I wouldn't believe in.
 
Submersible said:
If your mother called you and said someone is in my house and they are about to kill me, then the phone goes dead, you rush to your mothers house and find that it has been burned to the ground and her body is missing. A man is standing outside and sais, "I did it". He get's arrested.

When the murder trial begins the prosecution doesn't have any evidence to connect him with the murder or arson, would you expect him to tell you the truth about what happened?
That's what you are saying by pointing to the NIST for facts concerning the 9/11 attacks. So I'm certainly not afraid that I MIGHT find something that I wouldn't believe in.
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Another day and another CTer accusing innocent people of being an accomplice in mass murder, possibly more. It gets old.

Das Boot, literally hundreds of professionals in highly technical fields are lying and covering up for the gummint because..........(fill in the blank for me)? Is that still going to be your story in 5 years when the Bushies are gone and the Dems are in control? 10 years, 20 years, 30 years? When is the civil engineering industry gonna blow this thing open?
 
Submersible said:
The report was generated by the same source that destroyed the crime scene evidence, in any other criminal investigation this would make the USG's CLAIMS not only invalid, it would automatically make them SUSPECTS !
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Perhaps I missed it, but at what point did you demonstrate that they destroyed evidence? What, in your mind, constitutes evidence in this case? Did you expect that they'd keep every bit of a few hundred stories worth of buildings in an evidence locker somewhere? What sort of evidence do you think they could have destroyed which would back up... well, whatever your theory is?
But that's all you've got is an NIST report, so you spout that as the truth and for some reason overlook the FACT that they are part of the same organization that recycled the truth !
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Why do you keep insisting that the NIST report is somehow all the evidence? Have you ignored the numerous other sites, images, eyewitnesses, and experts that you have been pointed to? Especially when you have not, apparently, read it?

On a personal level, I look at your posts and those arguing with you, and with very few exceptions your opponents come across as reasonable people with reasonable questions and answers, while you appear to be increasingly strident and unable to coherently formulate counter-arguments. Regardless of FACT (sorry), you appear far less credible. After repeatedly being shown to be obviously and FACT(sorry)ually incorrect, you have not once admitted to being incorrect, moderated your views, nor shown any evidence of an ability to learn.

I really only stopped in because sometimes it's nice to be pitched a softball and take a swing at it, even if you know it's tethered to the ground. ;)
 
Another point .

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2168541&postcount=466

While the blaze is starved for oxygen, the scalding steel buried
below ground will retain its heat until enough air reaches it or
water douses it, said Don Carson, a hazardous materials expert for
the National Operating Engineers Union.
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A "blaze" cannot exist in an environment starved of oxygen.

Several experts consulted by the New York Fire Department have said the fires have burned for so long for several reasons: they cannot be fought directly; they feed off of a huge reserve of combustible materials; and, they are fed in a restricted but regular manner by air currents filtering into the rubble from above.
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So were the fires starved of oxygen, or did air currents fuel the fire?

And if air could have reached the fire, according to the amount of water that was reported to be poured on the pile... the water would have reached the fire as well.

The information offered in Kent1's post contradicts itself.
 
Submersible said:
Another point .

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2168541&postcount=466



A "blaze" cannot exist in an environment starved of oxygen.



So were the fires starved of oxygen, or did air currents fuel the fire?

And if air could have reached the fire, according to the amount of water that was reported to be poured on the pile... the water would have reached the fire as well.

The information offered in Kent1's post contradicts itself.
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Are you really this research impaired? Or are you coping this junk from a CT site?

BTW, transformers, there were many in the WTC, do burn. You know electric transformers. You have to have them to run the WTC.

Errors, you have small, large, giant, and glaring errors in all your hearsay evidence. Do you make this up? What do you do that has led to your inability to find real facts to back up your ideas on 9/11?

Sorry, but you have not posted a fact based idea yet. Do you have some facts to back up your posts?

Are you holding back for some big deal post in the future? I would not be asking if not for the fact you have offered no proof to back up your talk. I think it is funny when you post the Madrid building with all but the concrete core steel falling all over the place as it burns, bending and twisting exploding to the ground. I wonder why you post a photo of steel failing when you seem to be saying it did not fail at the WTC? What is up?

Plus, you know a lot of people are intelligent enough and do not need help figuring out 9/11. But you need some facts you will never find.
 
apathoid said:
Another day and another CTer accusing innocent people of being an accomplice in mass murder, possibly more. It gets old.

Das Boot, literally hundreds of professionals in highly technical fields are lying and covering up for the gummint because..........(fill in the blank for me)? Is that still going to be your story in 5 years when the Bushies are gone and the Dems are in control? 10 years, 20 years, 30 years? When is the civil engineering industry gonna blow this thing open?
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Here is one example of what happens to people in highly technical fields who are not covering up for the guvmint.
Churchill has resigned as chairman of the university’s ethnic studies department. Gov. Bill Owens has called for Churchill to be fired, and the university’s Board of Regents is investigating whether the tenured professor can be removed.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6937239/
 
Submersible said:
Another point .

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2168541&postcount=466



A "blaze" cannot exist in an environment starved of oxygen.



So were the fires starved of oxygen, or did air currents fuel the fire?

And if air could have reached the fire, according to the amount of water that was reported to be poured on the pile... the water would have reached the fire as well.

The information offered in Kent1's post contradicts itself.
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say sub, have you ever heard of centralia pennsylvania or burning mountain australia?
 
 
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