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Somali pirates kill all 4 hostages

What a sad story. Apparently they knew it was dangerous but "thought it would be ok".

Seriously people, don't go into the pirate zone unless you're heavily armed and have the knowledge to use weapons in a firefight.
 
That is awful. As I have always preached, people need to be arming themselves if they are going to be traveling in pirate waters. Granted, in this situation it would have been more difficult to defend a yacht as opposed to a tanker which has a height advantage, but personally I would still never travel unarmed if I were a sailor. I did like this quote from the article though, especially the bolded part:
When U.S. Special Operations Forces (SOF) soldiers -- from a classified Navy SEALS unit -- reached the yacht, they found two pirates had already been killed by small arms fire. As they went below deck there was an exchange of fire that killed one pirate. The other pirate was killed by an SOF member who used a knife in close combat, Vice Adm. Fox said.
 
That is awful. As I have always preached, people need to be arming themselves if they are going to be traveling in pirate waters. Granted, in this situation it would have been more difficult to defend a yacht as opposed to a tanker which has a height advantage, but personally I would still never travel unarmed if I were a sailor. I did like this quote from the article though, especially the bolded part:

I'm pretty pro-firearm (had a CCW when I was in Florida, couple of pistols, etc..) but even though my future plans/dreams include sailing around a bit, I don't plan on having a firearm on board. The problem with guns on board is that there are many many places that don't allow guns to be brought in/carried/stored on board, and these places are places you want to go when sailing. Sure, you can try to sneak it in... and risk incarceration and/or confiscation of your vessel if it's found. Easier solution is to look on Noonsite for where the pirate "danger zones" are... and DON'T GO THERE.
 
Just to be clear I'm on the unarmed stay clear side. Carrying a firearm internationally is just a pain unless you don't declare it. Not declaring it opens you up to major liability... so overall it's better to go without. Also I don't want to get into firefights even if I do have a gun with me.. seriously.
 
I'm pretty pro-firearm (had a CCW when I was in Florida, couple of pistols, etc..) but even though my future plans/dreams include sailing around a bit, I don't plan on having a firearm on board. The problem with guns on board is that there are many many places that don't allow guns to be brought in/carried/stored on board, and these places are places you want to go when sailing. Sure, you can try to sneak it in... and risk incarceration and/or confiscation of your vessel if it's found. Easier solution is to look on Noonsite for where the pirate "danger zones" are... and DON'T GO THERE.

Good point. I am not familiar with the rules of firearms on privately owned boats in international waters. Do people have to come inspect your boat or something when you go to port?
 
Just to be clear I'm on the unarmed stay clear side. Carrying a firearm internationally is just a pain unless you don't declare it. Not declaring it opens you up to major liability... so overall it's better to go without. Also I don't want to get into firefights even if I do have a gun with me.. seriously.

Personally, I would MUCH rather get into a firefight with pirates then take my risks with them on board and negotiating. Of course that is sort of what I do for a living, so to each their own.
 
Good point. I am not familiar with the rules of firearms on privately owned boats in international waters. Do people have to come inspect your boat or something when you go to port?

The short answer is yes.

Longer answer in this article by an Australian lawyer:

[...] No subject in cruising is as fiercely debated as the question of carrying firearms at sea. Firearms can not only help you defend your vessel and crew from actual attacks they can also act as a powerful deterrence, a crew wielding shotguns makes for an intimidating sight. UNCLOS does not regulate the carriage of arms for defensive purposes and there is no express legal prohibition on having firearms in international waters. Despite this, virtually all international and Australian maritime guidelines strongly recommend against the practice of carrying arms at sea due largely to the threat of violent escalation and higher associated risks. Unless the crew is educated, trained and comfortable in the handling and operation of firearms, they are a liability on-board.

Firearms complicate matters even further when entering territorial waters as the vessel becomes subject to the laws and regulations of the coastal state. Although, each state may have different requirements for processing international yachts, virtually all countries require you to declare onboard firearms, with customs often confiscating them for the duration of your stay. To avoid this scenario ship masters would adopt the philosophy that it was better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. However, stricter global regulations post-9/11 makes the begging option exceedingly risky. In not declaring arms to custom officials you are automatically in possession of illegal firearms and may even be charged with import offences. A case in point was in 2005 when wealthy Australian yachtsman Christopher Packer was boarded and searched by Indonesian authorities as he left Bali. Undeclared firearms were found and he was imprisoned for three months in Denpasar's notorious Kerobokan prison. To avoid a similar fate it is essential to check with customs and port authorities regarding local firearm laws before entering a port. [...]

Piracy, Firearms and the High Seas
 
The short answer is yes.

Longer answer in this article by an Australian lawyer:

Damn. So I guess basically the same kind of situation that is experienced in certain states here in America. The laws ensure that it is quite difficult for law abiding citizens to carry weapons, and the laws do nothing to deter criminal activity, because the criminals do not care about the laws.
 
That is awful. As I have always preached, people need to be arming themselves if they are going to be traveling in pirate waters. Granted, in this situation it would have been more difficult to defend a yacht as opposed to a tanker which has a height advantage, but personally I would still never travel unarmed if I were a sailor. I did like this quote from the article though, especially the bolded part:

Good.

Up-close and personal. I hope he blew blood-bubbles.

Sorry to sound vindictive.
I am, so that's the way it comes out.
 
or they where killed by the military in the botched rescue cause the military would never lie would they?
 
Just to be clear I'm on the unarmed stay clear side. Carrying a firearm internationally is just a pain unless you don't declare it. Not declaring it opens you up to major liability... so overall it's better to go without. Also I don't want to get into firefights even if I do have a gun with me.. seriously.


Particularly not with Somali pirates, who are likely to substantially out gun you.
 
Would the customs problems of bringing firearms be alleviated if the passengers and crew were unarmed, but the vessel itself was armed? I'm thinking along the lines of installing a cannon, or mounted gun turrets, something that would be permanently attached to the vessel and thus clearly not for use in being smuggled to terrorists or cartels or for resale or whatever the customs concern is.
 
Would the customs problems of bringing firearms be alleviated if the passengers and crew were unarmed, but the vessel itself was armed? I'm thinking along the lines of installing a cannon, or mounted gun turrets, something that would be permanently attached to the vessel and thus clearly not for use in being smuggled to terrorists or cartels or for resale or whatever the customs concern is.

How 'bout a couple of these?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS
 
Good.

Up-close and personal. I hope he blew blood-bubbles.

Sorry to sound vindictive.
I am, so that's the way it comes out.

Don't be sorry - when I heard a US ship was following the slime and they were headed towards a particular Somali port, my first reaction was "Why aren't they bombing that port out of existance right now?" We know where they come from, we know where they are supported.........
 

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