AmyStrange
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Israel asks civilians for help in identifying missing persons
Story by JOANIE MARGULIES AND Sam Halpern
(2023-10-07)
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Story by JOANIE MARGULIES AND Sam Halpern
(2023-10-07)
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Ed Solving Missing-Person Cases / Anti-Abduction Tips
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AmyStrange
Philosopher
This Is the Only Missing Person Cold-Case that I Maybe/Almost helped to Solve
The story that Wikipedia calls the Springfield Three missing person's case began on June 7, 1992, and you can and should read all about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Three
The circumstances that surround the case were both odd and mysterious. Two things that I looked for when I decided if I wanted to list an event on my This Day in the History of the Unexplained webpage back in 1996.
It sat there for almost a year, before someone contacted me about it. He didn't live very far from Springfield and had been there a few times trying to talk to one of the missing woman's sisters to tell her that he thought she'd been abducted.
He agreed to let me interview him and link it to the date I had the case listed.
Long story short, we became friends and kept in touch until one day a couple years later, he told me that he'd talked to one of the reporters who'd worked on the story at the time it happened, and for some strange reason he mentioned out of the blue that at the time, construction for a new concrete garage had begun across the field from his house, and something clicked in my head.
It wasn't so much a prediction or a premonition as it was a plain, every-day, intuitive hunch. I mean, where could you possibly find a better place to hide three bodies than under the foundation of a big concrete garage?
My friend and I talked about it, and he agreed. There wasn't much I could do about it being 2,000 miles away except put it out there on the web, but he promised to do something locally and as soon as possible.
A few months later, he asked me to take his interview down from my website and everything else about the case, because the sister had threatened to sue him for slander if he kept telling people her sister had been abducted, and this is where the story gets very, very strange, because a few years later...
Cox Hospital, Springfield, MO
The reporter might've been mistaken about the date but since it was about the same time as the disappearances, I'm inclined to think that his memory might be better because of it, and I'm not sure how long it takes to buy a property, and then get it ready for the start of a new construction that's obviously going to be huge, but that doesn't mean someone wasn't doing something out there around that date, and I'd even bet it wouldn't have been too hard to hide three bodies while the murderer waited to bury them in the perfect place. Where no one would ever be able to find them.
It's not like it's never been done before.
I discussed this case in some of the Yahoo Groups that I belonged to at the time, and one my friends sent me a private message begging me to please stay away from the case because she knew some of people behind the political forces that were involved in their disappearance, and they were not nice people.
I've had many private and public discussions with this person about the missing, and she seemed like a sane person to me, and to be honest, I don't know if that's where they're really buried, or if they're even dead, but if I was a gambling person, I wouldn't bet against it.
Anyway, that's everything I know about the case, except that as of October 8th, 2023, it still remains unsolved.
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The story that Wikipedia calls the Springfield Three missing person's case began on June 7, 1992, and you can and should read all about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Three
The circumstances that surround the case were both odd and mysterious. Two things that I looked for when I decided if I wanted to list an event on my This Day in the History of the Unexplained webpage back in 1996.
It sat there for almost a year, before someone contacted me about it. He didn't live very far from Springfield and had been there a few times trying to talk to one of the missing woman's sisters to tell her that he thought she'd been abducted.
He agreed to let me interview him and link it to the date I had the case listed.
Long story short, we became friends and kept in touch until one day a couple years later, he told me that he'd talked to one of the reporters who'd worked on the story at the time it happened, and for some strange reason he mentioned out of the blue that at the time, construction for a new concrete garage had begun across the field from his house, and something clicked in my head.
It wasn't so much a prediction or a premonition as it was a plain, every-day, intuitive hunch. I mean, where could you possibly find a better place to hide three bodies than under the foundation of a big concrete garage?
My friend and I talked about it, and he agreed. There wasn't much I could do about it being 2,000 miles away except put it out there on the web, but he promised to do something locally and as soon as possible.
A few months later, he asked me to take his interview down from my website and everything else about the case, because the sister had threatened to sue him for slander if he kept telling people her sister had been abducted, and this is where the story gets very, very strange, because a few years later...
Cox Hospital, Springfield, MO
The reporter might've been mistaken about the date but since it was about the same time as the disappearances, I'm inclined to think that his memory might be better because of it, and I'm not sure how long it takes to buy a property, and then get it ready for the start of a new construction that's obviously going to be huge, but that doesn't mean someone wasn't doing something out there around that date, and I'd even bet it wouldn't have been too hard to hide three bodies while the murderer waited to bury them in the perfect place. Where no one would ever be able to find them.
It's not like it's never been done before.
I discussed this case in some of the Yahoo Groups that I belonged to at the time, and one my friends sent me a private message begging me to please stay away from the case because she knew some of people behind the political forces that were involved in their disappearance, and they were not nice people.
I've had many private and public discussions with this person about the missing, and she seemed like a sane person to me, and to be honest, I don't know if that's where they're really buried, or if they're even dead, but if I was a gambling person, I wouldn't bet against it.
Anyway, that's everything I know about the case, except that as of October 8th, 2023, it still remains unsolved.
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AmyStrange
Philosopher
Why thousands of people missing in the Mediterranean are never identified
Story by Louisa Loveluck, Claire Parker
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Story by Louisa Loveluck, Claire Parker
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AmyStrange
Philosopher
Crystal woman is turning her family's pain into purpose by advocating for missing persons
BY ALLEN HENRY
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BY ALLEN HENRY
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kali1137
Illuminator
I feel pretty certain that PitPat was meaning that reply as sarcasm.
Granted it has been a while since I read up on it, but I did a lot of research into the Springfield Three case. The parking lot has never been credible to me and don't understand why people think it is no big deal to just up and dig through concrete. The money alone to dig and then repair.........just think about it. I have never heard of a case where someone just keeps a body around until they find a place later, let alone 3 bodies.....have any examples of this?
Granted it has been a while since I read up on it, but I did a lot of research into the Springfield Three case. The parking lot has never been credible to me and don't understand why people think it is no big deal to just up and dig through concrete. The money alone to dig and then repair.........just think about it. I have never heard of a case where someone just keeps a body around until they find a place later, let alone 3 bodies.....have any examples of this?
AmyStrange
Philosopher
No, none off hand except Ed Gein, Albert Fish, and maybe Gacy, and oh yes, HH Holmes, but I don't think he left any bodies around. I might be wrong, but I think he sold most of them as skeletons for medical schools or something like that.
I'd have to look it up, and I'm just too lazy right now.
Anyway, my belief comes mostly from the GPR results that I hilited in my original post.
Your mileage may vary of course.
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It was sarcasm (really easy/not difficult part). Maybe ironically small/midsize town police departments might start investigating missing persons earlier than larger urban police departments.
While it is true that the vast majority of reported missing people do turn up, there's still a lot of lag depending on even older minors (maybe had a big fight, probably runaway and needs to sort some things out, she does this now and then, possibly a drug problem, in love with boyfriend/girlfriend, etc.) There are a ton of individual cases that can be cited, as has been, each with their own personalities if you will.
Fortunately some places move cases to the front of the line if there are some red flags, a few of which I've mentioned upthread. It's a start, but still seems lacking. As always, just kind of depends where you live/social status. And there's not a bottomless pit of police funding for these things.
While it is true that the vast majority of reported missing people do turn up, there's still a lot of lag depending on even older minors (maybe had a big fight, probably runaway and needs to sort some things out, she does this now and then, possibly a drug problem, in love with boyfriend/girlfriend, etc.) There are a ton of individual cases that can be cited, as has been, each with their own personalities if you will.
Fortunately some places move cases to the front of the line if there are some red flags, a few of which I've mentioned upthread. It's a start, but still seems lacking. As always, just kind of depends where you live/social status. And there's not a bottomless pit of police funding for these things.
AmyStrange
Philosopher
When it comes to sarcasm, I'm not a big fan when it comes to the missing, but like I've said before, I agree generally with what you're saying.
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AmyStrange
Philosopher
Sonar search company hopes to solve 58-year-old unsolved missing person's case in Polk County
Mon, October 9, 2023 at 2:11 PM PDT
Carla Bayron
Mon, October 9, 2023 at 2:11 PM PDT
Carla Bayron
AmyStrange
Philosopher
How your DNA could help solve a missing person cold case
Mon, October 9, 2023 at 2:11 PM PDT
Carla Bayron
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Mon, October 9, 2023 at 2:11 PM PDT
Carla Bayron
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AmyStrange
Philosopher
Who are they? 9 Nashville cold cases with unidentified victims
Story by Sierra Rains
(2023-10-10)
Story by Sierra Rains
(2023-10-10)
AmyStrange
Philosopher
TBI DNA testing effort leads to identifications in decades-long cold cases
Posted: Sep 21, 2023 / 04:55 PM CDT
Updated: Sep 21, 2023 / 04:55 PM CDT
by: Erin McCullough
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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 / 04:55 PM CDT
Updated: Sep 21, 2023 / 04:55 PM CDT
by: Erin McCullough
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AmyStrange
Philosopher
Backlash as California rolls out 'EBONY Alert' to report and find missing black women and children - with critics saying some people will ignore them altogether
Story by Hope Sloop
(2023-10-10)
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Story by Hope Sloop
(2023-10-10)
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AmyStrange
Philosopher
Did you check to see if the card was used anywhere, or could you even do that back then?
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novaphile
Quester of Doglets
Sadly, here in Oz.
The risk of driving off the road into inaccessible land, or a body of water, is very common.
We've had some very high profile cases resolved when water recedes many years later.
(One being a young lass who had dropped all her friends off after a night out, and ended up in a river less than a kilometer from her home. The working theory being that she fell asleep and missed a gentle bend in the road.)
The risk of driving off the road into inaccessible land, or a body of water, is very common.
We've had some very high profile cases resolved when water recedes many years later.
(One being a young lass who had dropped all her friends off after a night out, and ended up in a river less than a kilometer from her home. The working theory being that she fell asleep and missed a gentle bend in the road.)
AmyStrange
Philosopher
I have literally hundreds of stories like that, but I haven't read through most of them, because like yours, they always make me feel so sad and sometimes I even cry.
At least finding them is some kind of closure for the family, although I don't think it's ever enough.
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novaphile
Quester of Doglets
Yeah. Me too.
I was close to a couple that had better resolution, but were still awful, all from my time in Woomera.
1. Family went out to visit a local station but drove cross-country and drove into a ditch. The two young children were found wandering on a back track by station personnel (Jackaroos) by purest fluke. Their parents had died from injuries received in the crash because they weren't wearing seat-belts.
(It's hard to even type the above. I didn't know those people, but thinking of those kids having to get out of their restraints in the vehicle and having to deal with their parents' deaths, pretty much does me in.)
2. Young guy from USAF hired a motorcycle from the PX and went 'blatting' in the desert. When he didn't come back a huge search effort was mobilised. He'd crashed the bike and broken his leg and had literally been crawling in circles before he was found, badly dehydrated and sunburned. Some of the searchers worked for me, and they told me that he'd been within 100 metres of the main highway at the nearest point of his 'circle' but hadn't been compos mentis enough to get there.
3. One of the flying club members decided to use the Drifter to fly around the fence line at Nurrungar (his role meant that was a legal thing for him to do). At the far side of the fence line, he saw something against the fence that didn't look right, so he landed on the nearby salt lake, and walked up to the fence.
What he found was a fully clothed skeleton, complete with hand-bag.
It was a local woman who had very publicly announced that she was leaving her husband many years earlier, while drunk at a local bar in Pimba (just outside Woomera). After investigation of the corpse at the scene, local authorities came to the conclusion that she probably started out with the idea that she'd just walk, cross country, to Port Augusta (189 km away) and likely died of dehydration the following day. It was such an unusual place to be, and so inaccessible, they guessed that she'd seen the lights of Port Augusta in the sky and just decided to make a bee-line...
At the time, people had thought that she probably just hitch-hiked and taken a lift from the main road (and would eventually turn up somewhere). It never occurred to anyone that someone would try to walk across the desert.
I'm sure her husband faced a lot of accusations etc. at the time, even though he'd just passed out at the bar after the argument.
Note with that last case, I was working in Woomera when she was found, but she'd gone missing years before I worked there.
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It would only have worked in our building, it was an even then obsolete system, a rather thick slab of plastic using an embedded coil. Impossible to get duplicates or replacements too, hence my irritation at it's loss.
He was owed money but never collected it. Gardaí investigated but no sign of foul play, he just evaporated......