Social Justice Warriors hack Klan Twitter account

[I Am The Scum]

I don't think they have a record of doing anything since the 1960s.

Let's try to stay focused, here.

Does the Klan have a record of defending people or not?

In the past, they have claimed to work for the defense of others. However, this has never been anything more than a cover for engaging in acts of homicide and arson.

Can we agree on this?

 

[luchog]

It's about context. If Anonymous wants to harass the KKK I applaud them. Do I think Anonymous should get legal immunity? No I don't. When you commit an act of civil disobedience you should be willing to suffer the consequences. If you're not the act loses much of its power. I am also not suggesting the KKK should lose their free speech rights. I am suggesting its perfectly okay to harass them. In fact I would say its admirable.

There is also a tradition of anonymous protest and civil disobedience from people who had a reasonable expectation that their lives or livelihoods may be in danger should they protest openly. Some of the colonists who perpetrated the Boston Tea Party dressed up as Native Americans for just that reason. Many of the protesters and those engaging civil disobedience in the former Totalitarian Communist regimes similarly acted anonymously, out of a need for self-preservation.

Anonymous itself started out as an informal group protesting the abuses committed by the Church of Scientology. They did so masked and anonymous because of the well-documented pattern of harassment, character assassination, and personal attacks by the CoS against its detractors. The CoS claims to have long-rescinded their policy of open warfare against critics, but their actions have repeatedly proven that to be a lie. And Anonymous has been instrumental in bringing some of these abuses and criminal acts to light.

The KKK may not be as cohesive or well-funded as the CoS, but their history is very similar, and far more violent. I certainly would be hesitant to act openly against such a group. It's one thing to act openly against an oppressive government and be willing to become a martyr for the cause; it's something far different to act against known terrorists groups, against whom martyrdom will have little impact. And there's no good reason to make yourself a martyr unnecessarily.

While I am not one to support vigilantism, cyber or otherwise; bringing the purveyors of these sorts of threats to light is certainly to be applauded. Especially when those making the threats are individuals entrusted with upholding the law of the land.

 

[12AX7]

No the threat to people protesting was when the warned them that they were going to come out in force and didn't like people protesting, e.g. disrupting their daily lives.



I don't think we need to worry about law enforcement knowing about it, do you? You just put that in for dramatic effect because you have nothing to offer.



Tired and trite. I'm an American. You remember the Constitution. It's a great big world and I don't stop being an American. You've tried this crap before and scurried away after flinging your monkey poop at the wall.

Have you any evidence that I don't support free speech. I stated flat out that I support their right to expose themselves as miscreant scum. I also happen to support the free speech of others to point out that they are miscreant scum. The actions of Anonymous are not about free speech. They are about a struggle that's been going on too long. Letting these snakes hide under their rocks is in no way an act of protecting free speech. When they stand up at the courthouse and have their say as citizens, I'm all for them having the right to do so. When they do it anonymously with thinly veiled threats, then I'm in favor of whatever is needed to stop them.

Yeah, I'm right up there with Mississippi Burning. Whatever is needed. You give these creeps the protection of the law and allow them to hide in their local communities, sheriff's departments, town councils, etc... and you ARE SUPPORTING TERRORISTS. Maybe not the dark-skinned swarthy version of terrorists that the paleos prefer; that's too bad. If there was ever an American group that is terroristic, it's the Ku Klux Klan. If ever there was a group that was the antithesis of what the USA is supposed to stand for, it's the Ku Klux Klan.

This. ^^^^

 

[WildCat]

What? You're saying they aren't even really a terrorist organization anymore. You're saying they haven't done anything really bad lately. You're totally trying to defend their honor and everyone here can see it.

As for your second sentence...WHAT???

Please cite a single instance in which I've "come out against the 1st Amendment". You're being silly because everyone sees your slip showing and you're trying to save face.

If you have evidence of terrorist activities by this hate group you should forward it to the FBI, they're rather interested in these sorts of things.

And do you realize that your race card loses value every time you play it? I can't even remember the last time you've had an actual argument on this forum, you're now a one-trick pony of lies and ad homs and combinations of lies and ad homs. Pathetic.

Lulwut? I'm not a fan of the dog but if ever a post has demanded it it is something that you've written

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Are you trying to claim that civil disobedience never involves breaking the law?

Civil disobedience doesn't involve destroying private property, hacking web sites, and other such felonies. It also involves getting arrested for said civil disobedience, not running away or hiding. It's supposed to be done openly, that's the whole civil part of "civil disobedience". It appears everything up to and including murder can be "civil disobedience" by your definition.

 

[WildCat]

And you choose to believe them? I choose not to. Now who's missing their critical bone connected to their typing bone? The KKK says they're going to act according to a specific section of the law. Said law does not say what they (and you) seem to think it says. It's about self-defense. You cannot travel 100 km, armed, to make a grandiose stand in a demonstration (not a terrorist action... a demonstration) and claim ahead of time that you're only going to shoot people in self-defense.

Well, you can claim it, I guess. But you can be laughed at for claiming it or believing it. Ha! (Like that. I laugh at their transparent tactic and your naive hive-minded Illinois acceptance of it.)

They said they're going to abide by the law and you've presented no evidence they intend to do otherwise.

Hmmm? Ya know, Wildcat, I'm beginning to think your involvement with the ACLU was perhaps not as deep as I'd thought. Can you show me the USC or Missouri State Code defining the crime of "civil disobedience". Hint: It's not a crime. Certain things are crimes. Some may be felonies, some may be misdemeanors. Civil disobedience could be a choice to commit either. So whether it's a felony or not has nothing to do with whether it's civil disobedience.

Just how long have you been out of the country? Civil disobedience has never been a crime defined in a criminal code.

Hyuk! Hyuk! Just like them commies and fascists! (Keep it up, it's getting funny, now.)

That's one hell of a rebuttal there, however you forgot to actually refute any of my points. I guess you really can't, since you have a fundamental disagreement with the Constitution of the United States as defined by the Supreme Court as to what free speech allows.

You've never been to Hong Kong. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Tell me all about how China is a bastion of civil rights.

And it seems to have slipped my memory. Do you remember when the coup was in Thailand and when I arrived here? And let's say you're living in a state where a corrupt system takes over and abuses its power... what do you do? You stay and fight the good fight to change things? Or you run away? Me. I'm staying. I'm a staunch supporter of the populist faction who were driven out of office. When the coup turns the country back to democratic rule, which they will sooner or later, the struggle continues.

I predict you'll be dead of old age before the junta gives up power. Military rule is pretty much the norm in Thailand, with brief periods of democracy scattered in between.

You are making a fool of yourself, if you continue posting on topics you have no knowledge of. Meh? I know me some KKK. You? You don't have a clue about life in Hong Kong, nor in China, and certainly not in Thailand.

You have consistently sided against freedom of speech on this forum. You're living in the right country.

 

[WildCat]

This is getting precariously close to the "jus' a couple of good old boys having theyselves some fun" defense, common in Mississippi in the 60s, usually after someone of a lesser race had been drug behind old Dub's pickup truck for a few miles 'cuz he looked at Dub's woman the wrong way.

Anonymous raised their profile after they made the news with their circular warning off DEMONSTRATORS. I emphasize that once again. They referred to DEMONSTRATORS as terrorists. They raised their own profile. Anonymous reacted to it.

Bad Anonymous! You let them ol' boys have themselves their fun. Ain't hurtin' no one!

Oh dear, a someone called the demonstrators terrorists! Let's hack their web site and stifle their speech!

Bu... bu... you told me that the ACLU takes up the cause of free speech. If this is about free speech as you claim in your delirium, then surely the ACLU is going to sending a task for down to Putzville to make sure they don't get their rights trampled on.

Or maybe it's not about free speech, at all.

As I've already said the ACLU will only be involved if the government moved to restrict their free speech, and there's no evidence that has happened, is happening, or will happen.

And I note that both you and Unabogie have not answered my question on whether you consider the ACLU supporters of the KKK since they defended their free speech rights. If I am to be branded a KKK supporter by asserting that they have 1st Amendment rights, then why not the ACLU?

 

[WildCat]

You'd think that living in the epicenter of all American Knowledge you'd at least read your local paper.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-klan_bdnov23-story.html#page=1

A 6 year old article? You prove my point.

 

[WildCat]

On the other hand, I wonder whether it is legal to proclaim membership in IS or al Qaeda in the U.S. I suspect that doing so would break a law regarding abetting and supporting terrorism. So, if the modern KKK is literally a terrorist organization, then perhaps a similar consequence would follow.

It is not illegal to be a member of any organization, even a criminal organization, in the USA. There is no such thing as an "outlawed group" in the USA. It is perfectly legal to be a member of IS, the KKK, the Latin Kings, or a mafia group. The US Constitution guarantees freedom of association, to charge and convict a member of a criminal organization that specific person has to be tied to a specific criminal act.

Not that I'd expect Foolmewunz to understand that, he's used to the way things work in China and Thailand where groups can be outlawed and members arrested and imprisoned merely for belonging to the outlawed group.

It's amazing how much energy you had to expend to ignore the point there, WildCat. The point is that you have to take the Klan's history as context for their current actions. Do you disagree ?

You'd have a point if the Klan was some single, organized group with a continuous history. But it's simply not, the SPLC lists over 160 groups claiming the KKK name. The KKK is a joke these days, they inspire fear in no one and on the rare occasions when they manage to muster a dozen or fewer robed members together in a "rally" they receive nothing but scorn and ridicule.

 

[WildCat]

Meanwhile 2 members of the New Black Panthers have been arrested by the FBI near Ferguson for illegal firearms purchases and a bomb plot.

I predict our social justice warriors at Anonymous won't be doing any hactivist activities related to them, nor will the social justice warriors posting in this thread accuse all Ferguson pro-Brown/anti-Wilson demonstrators of supporting terrorist activities. Because guilt by association only works one way, right?

 

[plague311]

I haven't read the thread up until this point, but I respect Anonymous for taking action. No protesters should be harmed when exercising their rights. They have every right to protest when the grand jury decision is read, and nothing should interfere with that. I applaud Anonymous for their actions.

That being said, DDoS attacks are kind of bad form. Among the hacker\techie community, it's kind of a layup. They didn't do that with the twitter accounts here, but that's what they used to take down Ferguson's government sites for awhile, they're using DDoS's against China, and Mexico as well. Again, I couldn't have more respect for their reasons behind their actions. They have my full support, and if I were able to help them I would; however, their methods of doing it are borderline.

 

[meg]

Meanwhile 2 members of the New Black Panthers have been arrested by the FBI near Ferguson for illegal firearms purchases and a bomb plot.

I predict our social justice warriors at Anonymous won't be doing any hactivist activities related to them, nor will the social justice warriors posting in this thread accuse all Ferguson pro-Brown/anti-Wilson demonstrators of supporting terrorist activities. Because guilt by association only works one way, right?

That's funny. By your own WildCat logic shouldn't you be arguing that the New Black Panther Party is different from the old, that membership has declined and they haven't been active for decades, or that Black Panthers should have a right to anonymity? And that the ACLU also defends the rights of the Black Panthers to free speech? I'm sure if you asked them they would say that they intended to use those purchases for their own defense according to the laws of the State of Missouri.

Or maybe guilt by association only works one way?

 

[WildCat]

That's funny. By your own WildCat logic shouldn't you be arguing that the New Black Panther Party is different from the old, that membership has declined and they haven't been active for decades, or that Black Panthers should have a right to anonymity? And that the ACLU also defends the rights of the Black Panthers to free speech? I'm sure if you asked them they would say that they intended to use those purchases for their own defense according to the laws of the State of Missouri.

Or maybe guilt by association only works one way?

Uh, what? I never claimed they had anything to do with the Black Panthers of old, nor that the New Black Panthers should have their web sites hacked, the group outlawed, or their members arrested/sanctioned for exercising their free speech rights.

And a pipe bomb is not a weapon that has any use whatsoever in self defense, and it is certainly not legal to purchase firearms intended for others who can't legally posses them themselves.

There's hypocrites in this thread, but I am not one of them.

 

[varwoche]

And you choose to believe them [KKK]? I choose not to.

Nor do I, because I don't swallow objects like those pictured below. If we take hate-mongers at their word, the KKK is non-violent, David Duke isn't a racist, Cliven Bundy isn't a racist, and David Irving is a neutral observer.

 

[bit_pattern]

And a pipe bomb is not a weapon that has any use whatsoever in self defense

They currently face only the firearms charges, though officials say other charges are pending.

Another federal official said the two did not appear to constitute a very serious threat

 

[bit_pattern]

This is the new, harmless, warm and cuddly KKK

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-obama-with-homemade-xray-weapon-8667553.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/11/11/8-arrested-in-alleged-kkk-initiation-related-murder/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_Glenn_Miller,_Jr.#Shooting

Awww, ain't they just adorable?

 

[Mumbles]

This is the new, harmless, warm and cuddly KKK

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-obama-with-homemade-xray-weapon-8667553.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/11/11/8-arrested-in-alleged-kkk-initiation-related-murder/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_Glenn_Miller,_Jr.#Shooting

Awww, ain't they just adorable?

...

Am I the only one who's a bit interested in studying the "X-Ray weapon" in that first link?

Calling yourself the KKK, is a bit less dramatic than calling yourself "Adolph Hitler", but it's not *too* far off. Just disband and join another group - there are nastier white su...I mean, something like a Bowling League!

 

[Foolmewunz]

Meanwhile 2 members of the New Black Panthers have been arrested by the FBI near Ferguson for illegal firearms purchases and a bomb plot.

I predict our social justice warriors at Anonymous won't be doing any hactivist activities related to them, nor will the social justice warriors posting in this thread accuse all Ferguson pro-Brown/anti-Wilson demonstrators of supporting terrorist activities. Because guilt by association only works one way, right?

You must surely be bankrupting your savings with the straw futures you have to be buying. How could you keep up this construction program without having bought forward?

Again, this here thread is about Anonymous and the Ku Klux Klan. The only person who keeps bringing up Brown/Wilson is you. I have asked you to show me where I have ever mentioned that I support either side. I'm also not aware of anyone else equating the two. YOU are the one who keeps stirring the pot with that particular spatula of misdirection.

You have the Sweetie Pie Knights of the Klan, who want to have a quilting bee in downtown Ferguson, and those evil law-breakers at Anonymous who are a threat to our very being and everything our great country stands for. No Brown. No Wilson. Just Ku Klux Klan and Anonymous.

Try to stick to the subject of the thread.

 

[WildCat]

They currently face only the firearms charges, though officials say other charges are pending.

Another federal official said the two did not appear to constitute a very serious threat

Yet they were enough of a threat for the FBI to get involved and file charges.

This is the new, harmless, warm and cuddly KKK

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-obama-with-homemade-xray-weapon-8667553.html

From your own link:

The synagogue swiftly informed police. In August 2012, Mr Crawford travelled to North Carolina to request funding for his plan from a top official in the Ku Klux Klan, of which he claimed to be a member. The KKK informed the FBI, which sent two undercover agents posing as KKK members to meet Mr Crawford.

Perhaps you should have read your link before posting that? You just proved that not only was that particular KKK set not engaging in terrorism, they informed the FBI when they learned of the plot.

 

[WildCat]

You must surely be bankrupting your savings with the straw futures you have to be buying. How could you keep up this construction program without having bought forward?

Again, this here thread is about Anonymous and the Ku Klux Klan. The only person who keeps bringing up Brown/Wilson is you. I have asked you to show me where I have ever mentioned that I support either side. I'm also not aware of anyone else equating the two. YOU are the one who keeps stirring the pot with that particular spatula of misdirection.

You have the Sweetie Pie Knights of the Klan, who want to have a quilting bee in downtown Ferguson, and those evil law-breakers at Anonymous who are a threat to our very being and everything our great country stands for. No Brown. No Wilson. Just Ku Klux Klan and Anonymous.

Try to stick to the subject of the thread.

"This thread is about the Great and Powerful Oz, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".

Unless you are a hypocrite you would support the hacking of the New Black Panthers web site by Anonymous, and wish you could do their prison time for them if they were caught, yes?

 

[Unabogie]

"This thread is about the Great and Powerful Oz, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".

Unless you are a hypocrite you would support the hacking of the New Black Panthers web site by Anonymous, and wish you could do their prison time for them if they were caught, yes?

Yes, because their two histories are identical.