So what form does the resistance take?

Oh look, there's a 'centrist' whining about BLM protestors. Gosh oh golly, next thing you know these 'centrists' will be saying George Floyd wasn't killed by the police, but died of a fentanyl overdose. I just saw some right-wing trolls doing this exact thing on Reddit, so seeing George Floyd brought up again seems pretty topical for whatever talking points those groups are spreading.
 
wareyin said:
Oh look, there's a 'centrist' whining about BLM protestors. Gosh oh golly, next thing you know these 'centrists' will be saying George Floyd wasn't killed by the police, but died of a fentanyl overdose. I just saw some right-wing trolls doing this exact thing on Reddit, so seeing George Floyd brought up again seems pretty topical for whatever talking points those groups are spreading.
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Oh FFS. I have no problem with protesters, I do have a problem with rioters damaging the private property of other citizens, and then gutless progressives repeatedly insisting that it's perfectly peaceful, or otherwise excusing and justifying the criminal behavior. I have a very serious problem with people who haven't done anything being punished by activists who think that harassing and bullying bystanders somehow causes their target to change their behavior. That's the behavior of bullies and zealots.

It's the same issue I have with people "protesting ICE" by hassling innocent Target employees. Filling up baskets and then not buying anything so that employees - who aren't ICE, probably don't support ICE, and are entirely innocent in all of this - have to deal with the mess they've made. Buying loads of things then immediately turning around and returning it so it causes problems for everyone else, both employees and other shoppers. That's not a protest, that's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ behavior. That's the tantrum of a child who believes that if they can make life miserable for everyone around them, they'll get their way.

The looters, vandals, and arsonists who are harming innocent people aren't protesters, they're criminals.
 
Emily's Cat said:
How many times do I have to tell you that I am unambiguously NOT PROGRESSIVE?

I'm not anti-trans. I'm opposed to males being given legal right to violate female boundaries. You, on the other hand, seem to strongly desire giving males the right to override female consent. Why is that?

Pro poll tax? What are you even on about? There was a time ages ago when I briefly considered poll taxes to be the most equal means of taxation - and it is. But it's also unworkable and inefficient, and I've supported modern tax structures for ages. Hell, I believe I even proposed a scaled sales tax scheme that would make all basic necessities up to a certain per-person level completely tax free, including clothing and homes, thus eliminating property taxes on small single-family homes and making property taxes on huge mcmansions and larger much, much higher than they currently are.

I don't hold far right positions. You LABELING me doesn't make your LABELS true.

Take this from a different perspective. Without any individual person in mind, provide a list of policy views that you think are far right views.
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It’s telling that you responded to a point about political labels with yet another anti-trans rant. You can call yourself a centrist all you want, but when your positions on January 6th, voting rights, and social issues align perfectly with the far-right fringe, the label is just a costume. I’m not interested in helping you mount your hobby horse again. The contradiction between your 'centrist' label and your actual post history speaks for itself.
 
It's such a weird position. I have a (post-transition) female-to-male trans friend and if he went into a female locker room he'd probably be arrested. I guess the transphobes have been taught to imagine non-transitioned guys roaming female locker rooms, which is patently ridiculous. None of the girls or women I know have ever told me about anything like that happening, but if you were to believe the totally-not-fascists, every female locker room is besieged by hordes of hairy men calling themselves women to pull a Donald Drumpf on unsuspecting women and children. It's just ludicrous.

But then again it's not a real issue, just a boogeyman they've been taught to fear so they won't ask too many difficult questions about why gas is getting more expensive and no one can afford a house anymore.
 
plague311 said:
I'm shocked that the righties and ICE are having morale issues. What did they expect? Did they think they'd get to brutalize people and no one would care because they were only doing it to immigrants? Yes, I know that's how some of them thought, but the lifers? The agents that had been there for a decade? They had to have known that this was going to go ass over tits.
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The thing is, the nazis developed the same kinds of problems with the einsatzgruppen in eastern Europe, rampant morale problems leading to alcoholism, suicide, insubordination, derelection of duties and serious criminality in civilian life. Turns out that to be doing that kind of work day in, day out; you really need to be the kind of raving psychopath that needs to be permanently locked up.

Hence why the nazis instituted the gas chambers.
 
According to actor Giancarlo Esposito, in an interview with Variety, the resistance might have to take the form of a lot of dead martyrs - not him, though:

variety.com

Giancarlo Esposito Says It’s ‘Time for a Revolution’ as Trump’s White House Fuels a ‘Feeling of Civil War in the Streets’

Giancarlo Esposito speaks out at Sundance as immigration protests and political tensions shape the festival’s final year in Park City.
variety.com variety.com

50 million of you may have to die for the revolution, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
 
plague311 said:
I'm shocked that the righties and ICE are having morale issues. What did they expect? Did they think they'd get to brutalize people and no one would care because they were only doing it to immigrants? Yes, I know that's how some of them thought, but the lifers? The agents that had been there for a decade? They had to have known that this was going to go ass over tits.
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They have serious moral issues as well. As in they have no morals.
 
wareyin said:
It’s telling that you responded to a point about political labels with yet another anti-trans rant.
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Countering your false assertion is not a rant. It was a few sentences to clarify your disinformation.
wareyin said:
You can call yourself a centrist all you want, but when your positions on January 6th, voting rights, and social issues align perfectly with the far-right fringe, the label is just a costume. I’m not interested in helping you mount your hobby horse again. The contradiction between your 'centrist' label and your actual post history speaks for itself.
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My "far right" views of...
  • January 6th was a riot, not an insurrection, and did significantly less damage than the months of "mostly peaceful protests" related to Floyd, and that it's hypocritical of progressives to excuse and hand-wave away the harms of those riots while exaggerating the harms of half a day
  • Everyone in the US would benefit from our election processes being standardized and secure, and that it's reasonable to strengthen our identity and citizenship verification methods; if that means the fed foots the bill for a citizen ID, that's a great idea.
  • Gay people should be able to marry and have the same benefits and rights as heterosexual couples; people should be free to do whatever they want with consenting adults in the privacy of their homes; the government should protect all individuals from discrimination in housing and employment on the basis of their choice or dress or presentation (assuming appropriateness of the venue); males aren't females; I want gay married couples to be able to defend their marijuana farms with guns
I don't think you actually know what a far right view is. More to the point, I think you intend and actively use it as a derogatory term with the intention to insult and bully fellow posters.

Again, instead of just calling me names and labeling me, how about you present a set of policy views that you consider to be far right? Then we can act like adults, and determine whether or not I actually merit the label with which you attempt to mask your vilification and contempt.

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Look, if you want to call me a conservative, I'm not going to argue very hard. I don't think I'm a conservative, and I don't identify as a conservative. But I can at least understand how I might seem conservative to a progressive. But conservative is not the same as right-wing, and most definitely not the same as far-right.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
It's such a weird position. I have a (post-transition) female-to-male trans friend and if he went into a female locker room he'd probably be arrested. I guess the transphobes have been taught to imagine non-transitioned guys roaming female locker rooms, which is patently ridiculous.
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Colleen Francis
Darren Merager
Alexis Black
Eddie Izzard
Alex Drummond
And many more.

The thing you claim never happens happens a whole lot.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I do have a problem with rioters damaging the private property of other citizens, and then gutless progressives repeatedly insisting that it's perfectly peaceful, or otherwise excusing and justifying the criminal behavior.
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I have a problem with self-hating right-wingers insisting that opportunistic vandals and looters are actually not only left-wing protestors, but the majority of left-wing protesters.
 
Orphia Nay said:
I have a problem with self-hating right-wingers insisting that opportunistic vandals and looters are actually not only left-wing protestors, but the majority of left-wing protesters.
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I also have a problem with comparing protests about a murder by a law enforcement officer with an attempt to prevent the peaceful transition of power, instigated by the politician who was about to legitimately lose it.
 
Pixel42 said:
I also have a problem with comparing protests about a murder by a law enforcement officer with an attempt to prevent the peaceful transition of power, instigated by the politician who was about to legitimately lose it.
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They take their whataboutisms where they can get them. Gotta deflect and distract somehow.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Countering your false assertion is not a rant. It was a few sentences to clarify your disinformation.

My "far right" views of...
  • January 6th was a riot, not an insurrection, and did significantly less damage than the months of "mostly peaceful protests" related to Floyd, and that it's hypocritical of progressives to excuse and hand-wave away the harms of those riots while exaggerating the harms of half a day
  • Everyone in the US would benefit from our election processes being standardized and secure, and that it's reasonable to strengthen our identity and citizenship verification methods; if that means the fed foots the bill for a citizen ID, that's a great idea.
  • Gay people should be able to marry and have the same benefits and rights as heterosexual couples; people should be free to do whatever they want with consenting adults in the privacy of their homes; the government should protect all individuals from discrimination in housing and employment on the basis of their choice or dress or presentation (assuming appropriateness of the venue); males aren't females; I want gay married couples to be able to defend their marijuana farms with guns
I don't think you actually know what a far right view is. More to the point, I think you intend and actively use it as a derogatory term with the intention to insult and bully fellow posters.

Again, instead of just calling me names and labeling me, how about you present a set of policy views that you consider to be far right? Then we can act like adults, and determine whether or not I actually merit the label with which you attempt to mask your vilification and contempt.

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Look, if you want to call me a conservative, I'm not going to argue very hard. I don't think I'm a conservative, and I don't identify as a conservative. But I can at least understand how I might seem conservative to a progressive. But conservative is not the same as right-wing, and most definitely not the same as far-right.
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You don’t get to claim you’re "clarifying disinformation" while simultaneously trying to rewrite history. Calling a violent breach of the Capitol a harmless "wander" is a lie. The fact that it was a coordinated attempt to overturn an election makes it an insurrection by definition.

Your views haven't moved toward the center since you called yourself a conservative ten years ago. They’ve moved steadily to the right. Pushing the myth of "insecure" elections to justify financial barriers to voting and forcing anti-trans rants into nearly every post you make isn't centrism. It’s still a rant even if it’s only "a few sentences" when you can't seem to stop talking about it. Based on your signature and your strident complaints about calling MAGA Nazis right up until the chat leak about them loving Hitler dropped, it's clear you're walking the walk but just don't like wearing the label.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Colleen Francis
Darren Merager
Alexis Black
Eddie Izzard
Alex Drummond
And many more.

The thing you claim never happens happens a whole lot.
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When you have to cherry pick over decades just to find five names, and three of those people haven't actually been accused of anything, it's pretty telling. You're trying to build a case out of thin air to justify your hostility, which is exactly why no one believes your "centrist" act.
 
wareyin said:
You don’t get to claim you’re "clarifying disinformation" while simultaneously trying to rewrite history. Calling a violent breach of the Capitol a harmless "wander" is a lie. The fact that it was a coordinated attempt to overturn an election makes it an insurrection by definition.

Your views haven't moved toward the center since you called yourself a conservative ten years ago. They’ve moved steadily to the right. Pushing the myth of "insecure" elections to justify financial barriers to voting and forcing anti-trans rants into nearly every post you make isn't centrism. It’s still a rant even if it’s only "a few sentences" when you can't seem to stop talking about it. Based on your signature and your strident complaints about calling MAGA Nazis right up until the chat leak about them loving Hitler dropped, it's clear you're walking the walk but just don't like wearing the label.
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Also, can you imagine the outcry from the far-right 'centrists' if it was liberals, Muslims, or BLM that invaded and vandalized the Capitol and chanted that they were going to hang a vice president? Never mind reciprocal violence, there'd probably be murders.
 
wareyin said:
When you have to cherry pick over decades just to find five names, and three of those people haven't actually been accused of anything, it's pretty telling. You're trying to build a case out of thin air to justify your hostility, which is exactly why no one believes your "centrist" act.
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I loved the 'And many more' at the bottom, as if he had more examples.
But yeah, five examples globally over decades of course proves this is a huge problem to women everywhere 🙄.
 
I love it when a thread stops being about the topic and becomes about one of the posters. I wonder if there's a pattern in it, some commonality between all the threads it happens to?
 
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