So what form does the resistance take?

theprestige said:
You're saying he's been deported. He's saying he's been deported. How do either of you know he's been deported? You can't find the order. He hasn't produced any such order. How can you condemn a deportation that nobody can show actually took place?
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I have seen similar arguments from Holocaust deniers.
 
Hercules56 said:
We are in trouble and heading in a dangerous direction.
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You are far beyond that point!
Hercules56 said:
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it.
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That's good! Rocket scientists are the only scientists who haven't been fired by DOGE ...
Doge cuts spark questions as employees supporting Musk space launches spared (TheGuardian, April 18, 2025)
While the administration and Doge have targeted hundreds of thousands of federal employees, critics say the decision shows Musk is willing to allow federal workers to remain employed if their work benefits him.
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... yet:
Musk has called for cuts to space programs at Nasa and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that don’t serve his needs.
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theprestige said:
You're saying he's been deported. He's saying he's been deported. How do either of you know he's been deported? You can't find the order. He hasn't produced any such order. How can you condemn a deportation that nobody can show actually took place?
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What? ICE has admitted the error. The person said to be deported is in an El Salvador prison. The President has said he was deported, and the president of El Salvador has said he was deported. Both have acknowledged this and maintain that it was the right thing to do. Everyone connected with the case, both for and against, seems to agree on the basic fact that he was deported, but you seem to be saying that without specific documentation the entire event is in doubt.

Are you suggesting that he got on a plane and marched into that Salvadoran prison voluntarily? Are you making a semantic argument that sending him out of the country and imprisoning him doesn't count as a "deportation" because the paperwork wasn't filled out? Your continuation of this seems utterly bizarre.
 
theprestige said:
You're saying he's been deported. He's saying he's been deported. How do either of you know he's been deported? You can't find the order. He hasn't produced any such order. How can you condemn a deportation that nobody can show actually took place?
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The Supreme Court has said he was deported. They use the term "removed," which is the modern legal term for "deported."
 
bruto said:
What? ICE has admitted the error. The person said to be deported is in an El Salvador prison. The President has said he was deported, and the president of El Salvador has said he was deported. Both have acknowledged this and maintain that it was the right thing to do. Everyone connected with the case, both for and against, seems to agree on the basic fact that he was deported, but you seem to be saying that without specific documentation the entire event is in doubt.

Are you suggesting that he got on a plane and marched into that Salvadoran prison voluntarily? Are you making a semantic argument that sending him out of the country and imprisoning him doesn't count as a "deportation" because the paperwork wasn't filled out? Your continuation of this seems utterly bizarre.
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Perhaps theprestige is demanding evidence he is not a brain in a jar and all outside experience is just illusion.
 
theprestige said:
But there still needs to be a government order of some kind. Otherwise, how does anyone know when someone is deported?
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Your key assumption in formulating the question is that administrative procedure and due process are fully respected. Absent the "proof" you require, of course, there are many other ways to determine he has been deported, now including visiting him in prison.

Basically, when the rule of law is dead, it is dead. This is a very simple point. Very simple.
 
theprestige said:
Thank you for the correction. I agree. I was persistently and inexcusably wrong on that point.

But there still needs to be a government order of some kind. Otherwise, how does anyone know when someone is deported?
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How do you know? How about when the person is loaded on a plane in shackles and sent to a prison in a foreign country, and when the people doing it call it deportation and say they plan to do more of the same? It kind of fits the definition of deportation even if it's done wrong! You don't need a government order to do something, even if you're supposed to. Lots of things are supposed to be done in a certain way but are not. The very definition of breaking the law is not doing things as the law specifies! Or are you just playing linquistic games? He wasn't deported, he was just sent out for cigarettes or something?
 
Once again the BBC is downplaying the size of the anti-Trump protests by saying that thousands took to the streets when in truth it was hundreds of thousands or millions.
www.bbc.co.uk

Thousands across the US protest Trump, again

Demonstrations, taking place on the 250th anniversary of the start of the American Revolutionary War, addressed a range of grievances.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
I'm not seeing any estimates of how many people there actually were, but organisers were calling for 11 million people according to this front-page article on The Guardian:

www.theguardian.com

Protesters fill the streets in cities across the US to denounce Trump agenda

Organizers call for 11 million people to march and rally in this weekend’s effort to ‘protect democracy’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

The ABC, which is generally extremely reliable and nonpartisan, is also using the noncommittal term "thousands":

www.abc.net.au

'Sometimes we have to fight': Thousands protest against Trump across the US

The demonstrations ranged from a march through Manhattan and a rally in front of the White House to a demonstration at a Massachusetts Revolutionary War commemoration.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
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theprestige said:
You're saying he's been deported. He's saying he's been deported. How do either of you know he's been deported? You can't find the order. He hasn't produced any such order. How can you condemn a deportation that nobody can show actually took place?
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Just the absolute weirdest and most pointless hill to die on.
 
The Don said:
Once again the BBC is downplaying the size of the anti-Trump protests by saying that thousands took to the streets when in truth it was hundreds of thousands or millions.
www.bbc.co.uk

Thousands across the US protest Trump, again

Demonstrations, taking place on the 250th anniversary of the start of the American Revolutionary War, addressed a range of grievances.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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I don't see the BBC having any stake in this, if misreporting news. Now Fox or NewsMax, on the other hand.
 
The deproting of citiznes is new and disturbing. In the past, naturalized citizens had t have a legel proceeding to be stripping of their citizneship before they can be deported, and usually you had to commit a pretty serious crime for that to happen. Lucky Luciano , the Mafia boss, is an example. He was deported to Italy only after a legal proceeding,,in which he has a right to be represented by counsel...took away his naturalized citizen ship.
 
jt512 said:
Trump has not deported any U.S. citizen.
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He's said explicitly that he wants to, and intends to, and made it clear that he does not want due process to interfere with his imagined mandate, and fully intends to violate court orders he doesn't like. Yes, nothing that bad has happened yet, even though it's been threatened and the threats keep getting fulfilled. But no, let's not worry. Wait a little longer, and the next few times it happens we'll wait until the next time and eventually it will be too late again, and we can say "oh well, nothing we could do. Who knew?"
 
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