So what form does the resistance take?

AmyStrange said:
But was it just the protest or was it also the large number of US soldiers being killed daily? I remember seeing that number being flashed on the screen every night during every news broadcast.




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Uh, the body bags coming home was a main reason for the protests going mainstream......
 
Thermal said:
Honestly, I think Vance will be able to walk away from whatever happens, saying "my boss got some things wrong, but I've got it worked out", meanwhile taking credit for anything that was popular. Watch him like a hawk. I'm guessing that the grooming began before his debate with Walz
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Problem for Vance is he has no real following within the GOP. Many see him as a rank opportunist and distrust him.
 
AmyStrange said:
I hope you're wrong, but if things do go to hell under trump, and I just have this feeling that they will, especially since his whole cabinet will be asleep rather than awake, Vance'll have to take his lumps as VP just like Harris did.

And I can't remember who said it in here (paraphrasing of course), but if the economy goes south, they won't want another 4 years of trump 3.0.

And the economy WILL go south for two reasons.

One will be that deporting all those folks (who, if you're honest, keep our vegetables and meats relatively cheap) will help raise the price of those farm items, and two, adding all those tariffs on top of that, it's obvious what'll happen... unless you're damn stupid.

The maga weirdoes may try to blame it on Harris, but as part of my resistance, I will attack them as the hypocritical, lying idiots that they are.

For example: "Wait a minute, in the last election, you blamed everything wrong (high inflation etc.) on the VP, so why shouldn't the same thing be true this time around?"

With more colorful language of course.

Of course, I may be wrong, but we'll know for sure four years from now. So, in other words...


Vive la résistance!!!​


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I'm not at all convinced the economy will go south, in fact that is my greatest fear, as I mentioned in several other posts.
Authoritarian regimes always find a way to artificially boost the economy, often by declaring war to use wartime production and employment to keep things going. In Trump's case I doubt he will declare war (although he probably will make war more likely) but he has already announced his strategy on inflation, and it could work. He will drill, drill, drill every drop of fossil fuel out of the land, including massive drilling on federally protected wilderness areas and even national parks. The sudden influx of fuel will result in lower transport costs and will drive the price of commodities down. Nevermind that it will destroy the environment and accelerate climate change. Meanwhile, OPEC & co will keep prices low cause they don't want to drive their customers towards a greener future. I hope I'm wrong and his complete ineptitude negates the deviousness of this plan.
 
dudalb said:
Problem for Vance is he has no real following within the GOP. Many see him as a rank opportunist and distrust him.
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Trump had little following either at first. Vance learned from Trump how to win over the masses--he describes it perfectly in this article from 8 years ago:
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stanfr said:
I'm not at all convinced the economy will go south, in fact that is my greatest fear, as I mentioned in several other posts.
Authoritarian regimes always find a way to artificially boost the economy, often by declaring war to use wartime production and employment to keep things going. In Trump's case I doubt he will declare war (although he probably will make war more likely) but he has already announced his strategy on inflation, and it could work. He will drill, drill, drill every drop of fossil fuel out of the land, including massive drilling on federally protected wilderness areas and even national parks. The sudden influx of fuel will result in lower transport costs and will drive the price of commodities down. Nevermind that it will destroy the environment and accelerate climate change. Meanwhile, OPEC & co will keep prices low cause they don't want to drive their customers towards a greener future. I hope I'm wrong and his complete ineptitude negates the deviousness of this plan.
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True, I can't guarantee that the economy will go south, but I'm not going to idly sit by and wait, and besides, whether it does or doesn't...


Vive la résistance!!!​


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Its over guys. Most of the LEO's, military, and people with guns are for the autocracy.
stanfr said:
I'm not at all convinced the economy will go south, in fact that is my greatest fear, as I mentioned in several other posts.
Authoritarian regimes always find a way to artificially boost the economy, often by declaring war to use wartime production and employment to keep things going. In Trump's case I doubt he will declare war (although he probably will make war more likely) but he has already announced his strategy on inflation, and it could work. He will drill, drill, drill every drop of fossil fuel out of the land, including massive drilling on federally protected wilderness areas and even national parks. The sudden influx of fuel will result in lower transport costs and will drive the price of commodities down. Nevermind that it will destroy the environment and accelerate climate change. Meanwhile, OPEC & co will keep prices low cause they don't want to drive their customers towards a greener future. I hope I'm wrong and his complete ineptitude negates the deviousness of this plan.
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How is he going to get the oil co's to drill themselves into bankruptcy (his words)? What work force are they going to find to do all this drilling? Where is all the steel going to come from for new refineries, which have very long lead times.

No we're either A) going to start raising interest rates til everything crashes. or B) congress will give Trump the power to set rates, in which case we will see double digit inflation.
 
So....what exactly are we going to do as a resistance, anyway? Mostly post clever barbs on twixxer or Blueski or whatever, or are we gonna burn some ◊◊◊◊ down or what? Passive resistance is for weenies.
 
AmyStrange said:
True, I can't guarantee that the economy will go south, but I'm not going to idly sit by and wait, and besides, whether it does or doesn't...


Vive la résistance!!!​


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This was the rallying cry of people who had touched grass and were willing to put their lives on the line to make a real difference. By killing if necessary. By dying, if necessary.
What resistance are you willing to kill for? To die for?

Vive la empty platitudes.
 
theprestige said:
This was the rallying cry of people who had touched grass and were willing to put their lives on the line to make a real difference. By killing if necessary. By dying, if necessary.
What resistance are you willing to kill for? To die for?

Vive la empty platitudes.
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Not...totally empty, man. We've got rhetoric and memes and witty rejoinder and stuff.
 
theprestige said:
This was the rallying cry of people who had touched grass and were willing to put their lives on the line to make a real difference. By killing if necessary. By dying, if necessary.
What resistance are you willing to kill for? To die for?

Vive la empty platitudes.
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Maybe YOU think it's all about dying or killing, but that would make me no better than the stupid maga idiots.

What I'm talking about is the résistance clothed by words and a persuasive arguement that no matter how bad you lose in an election you WILL NEVER GIVE IN to the maga weirdoes who have nothing but lies and hate and delusion to hold them together, so...



Vive la résistance!!!​


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Thermal said:
So....what exactly are we going to do as a resistance, anyway? Mostly post clever barbs on twixxer or Blueski or whatever, or are we gonna burn some ◊◊◊◊ down or what? Passive resistance is for weenies.
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Passive résistance is doing nothing at all and just bending over and getting kicked in the butt again. If that's what you and everyone here wants to do, then to hell with this thread.


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AmyStrange said:
Passive résistance is doing nothing at all and just bending over and getting kicked in the butt again. If that's what you and everyone here wants to do, then to hell with this thread.


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Hey, I started this thread, so I don't want it to go to hell, not even limbo really.
I think the resistance must happen and it should be non violent, studies have shown that non violent movements are generally more successful than violent ones.
But contrary to Prestige's dismissal of it all, I think it is a cause worth fighting for, forcefully if that is what it comes down to.
The complete destruction of the planet by people willing to send us all to extinction by ignoring our many contributions to ecologic collapse, the
exponential widening of the gulf between the uber rich and everyone else, the capitalist and/or autocratic subjugation of everyone else, the attack on women, minorities, anyone other than straight white men (my own class!), the burial of scientific progress and return to the dark ages...these are all threats worth fighting against IMHO, with more than just witty memes.
 
stanfr said:
Hey, I started this thread, so I don't want it to go to hell, not even limbo really.
I think the resistance must happen and it should be non violent, studies have shown that non violent movements are generally more successful than violent ones.
But contrary to Prestige's dismissal of it all, I think it is a cause worth fighting for, forcefully if that is what it comes down to.
The complete destruction of the planet by people willing to send us all to extinction by ignoring our many contributions to ecologic collapse, the
exponential widening of the gulf between the uber rich and everyone else, the capitalist and/or autocratic subjugation of everyone else, the attack on women, minorities, anyone other than straight white men (my own class!), the burial of scientific progress and return to the dark ages...these are all threats worth fighting against IMHO, with more than just witty memes.
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Sorry stanfr, I'm sick and tired of folks talking about doing stuff but only complaining and hating and doing nothing else.

I've been called a nazi just because I'm a reasonable republican and don't want to lie and say I'm a dem, but I've also been out on the firing lines in MSN and fox forums fighting for the dems, protesting the war in Iraq, and so on and so on, and all I get is hate from the stupid ENs.

Nothing against you. You've been decent, but I don't need this crap.


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Thermal said:
So....what exactly are we going to do as a resistance, anyway? Mostly post clever barbs on twixxer or Blueski or whatever, or are we gonna burn some ◊◊◊◊ down or what? Passive resistance is for weenies.
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The term is Poltroon: someone who brags before a battle about what great deeds he will do but then chickens out.
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*Kent State students raise a finger*
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Like it or not, it was the "Average American" turning against the war the caused it to end.
 
I've been giving it some thought...and I think the best way to unite the opposition is with a slogan. That's part of why MAGA was so successful.
So how about "ISAT": I Stand Against Trumpism?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Dems need something clever and big as their program, and fast, whether they get it done or not. the important thing is to change the conversation.

Like for example a significant Estate Tax ... unless you give the money to your Grandkids instead of children.
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What proportion of estates even attract an estate tax ?

Here in the UK with a much, much lower threshold it's around 5%. Why do the Democrats have to work so hard to protect the interests of the very richest in society at the expense of the vast majority? It's even more iniquitous when you consider that inherited wealth actually worsens income and wealth inequality.
 
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