So what form does the resistance take?

theprestige said:
Tough call. Killing him too early opens Germany up to Soviet annexation, a fate I wouldn't wish even on Nazis.

But killing him too late... Is too late.

Either way, it's moot. Nobody knew it was the Hitler track until Hitler mapped it out. Now you know what the Hitler track looks like, you should take decisive action the moment you realize someone's on it.

Once you get to Trump = Hitler, it doesn't matter when it made the most sense to go after Hitler. All that matters is you're convinced Trump has already crossed that Rubicon.

The only reason to stay your hand is if you don't think he's another Hitler, and think there's a good chance he won't become another Hitler. In which case, you're being irresponsibly disingenuous by making the comparison.
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That depends on your presumption that the only decisive action possible when the Hitler track is detected is assassination. One might hope that having learned something from history, it should be possible to find non-murderous decisive action before it's too late - that the issue of whether he's another Hitler in posse and the issue of whether there's a chance he won't become what Hitler eventually became are two different things, because we can at least hope we've learned something from history. In any case, history rarely repeats itself verbatim, and I think there's a difference between seeing ominous parallels and seeing equality.
 
theprestige said:
Swing voters aren't known for their ideological passion, nor for marching in the streets when presidential approval ratings go down.

The idea that the streets are alive with the protests of Trump voters is a fantasy.

ETA: In before someone willfully misunderstands this as "the idea of disgruntled Trump voters is a fantasy".
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That you think this is about ideology is why your premise is flawed. People aren't taking to the streets because of "presidential approval ratings". Trump and his fascist goons are actively threatening and destroying American institutions that even people who voted for him like and need.
 
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theprestige said:
Swing voters aren't known for their ideological passion, nor for marching in the streets when presidential approval ratings go down.

The idea that the streets are alive with the protests of Trump voters is a fantasy..
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Now that ICE is detaining natural-born US citizens, the streets being filled with protesters is not too far away. And that will probably include some Trump voters.
 
theprestige said:
Tell it to dann. It's his argument.
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dann argued that the protests are about "presidential approval ratings" as opposed to the worsening of material conditions under Trump? I would like to see you quote the post that you think supports this claim.
 
johnny karate said:
dann argued that the protests are about "presidential approval ratings" as opposed to the worsening of material conditions under Trump? I would like to see you quote the post that you think supports this claim.
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dann argued that the low approval ratings supported the claim that Trump voters are taking to the streets in significant numbers.
 
In a twisted way, I kinda hope ICE does deport a natural born citizen. And refuse to reverse this. That way we can finally get this party started.
 
Hercules56 said:
In a twisted way, I kinda hope ICE does deport a natural born citizen. And refuse to reverse this. That way we can finally get this party started.
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ICE isn't in charge of that decision. It would be an immigration court judge.

Judges, incidentally, don't often reverse their rulings. They can get overridden on appeal, though.
 
theprestige said:
Yes, of course. The way I see it, the only justification a protest needs is that someone wants to make it.
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Looking through more articles. See nothing about any judge deciding to deport Garcia. All I see is constant mentioning of the administrative error by ICE.
 
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dann argued that the low approval ratings supported the claim that Trump voters are taking to the streets in significant numbers.
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Which is not the same as saying that low approval ratings are the *impetus* for Trump voters' taking to the streets, etc. That's what you seemed to be saying when you wrote: "Swing voters aren't known for their ideological passion, nor for marching in the streets when presidential approval ratings go down."

If that isn't what you meant, now is a great opportunity to clarify what you did.
 
Reformed Offlian said:
Which is not the same as saying that low approval ratings are the *impetus* for Trump voters' taking to the streets, etc. That's what you seemed to be saying when you wrote: "Swing voters aren't known for their ideological passion, nor for marching in the streets when presidential approval ratings go down."

If that isn't what you meant, now is a great opportunity to clarify what you did.
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Done and done. I was responding to dann's argument in the context of that argument. You misunderstood. I clarified. Are you still misunderstanding?
 
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