So much for "Security in Iraq is improving."

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I think you forego notions that you are a skeptic when you claim a sample size of 1 is accurate. At least you've outed your biases over your rationality for all to see.
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And I think you forgo any possibility of anyone mistaking you for a skeptic when you claim the sample size is one. It's a lot more like one every few hours. Read any newspapers lately? How about TV, you seen any TV in, oh, I dunno, maybe the last year or so?

Do you make this stuff up yourself, or hear it on Flush's show?
 
peptoabysmal said:
A suicide bomber or airline hijacker or anyone else jacked up on a religious crusade is something that no government on Earth can protect itself from totally.

So, other than making you feel better about your investment in defeat, what does this incident prove?
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That we have no reason to be as optimistic about the security in Iraq improving as John McCain, George W, or Big Dick Cheney insist we have?
 
More bombings today. Do they count into the "sample" or should they be excluded for some reason?

For those of you who are fearful of your daughter wearning a burkha, I'm sure you can find youtube vids of Rummy declaring the insurgency in it's last thoes, Bremmer leaving the day before the CPA handed Iraq over to the Iraqis to fool the insurgency or Sen. McCain enjoying the safety and freedom that is Iraq 4+ years after our invasion... as long as he's escorted by a company of 82nd Airborne.

You know, I've been against this fiasco from the beginning, but Jesus f-ing Christ, at some point shouldn't the hawks have the balls to admit that things in Iraq have gone to s*** since, say, mid-2003? Why the f*** are we four years into this thing and talking about new tactics/strategies for "victory"?

To quote numerous people over the centuries, don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
More bombings today. Do they count into the "sample" or should they be excluded for some reason?

For those of you who are fearful of your daughter wearning a burkha, I'm sure you can find youtube vids of Rummy declaring the insurgency in it's last thoes, Bremmer leaving the day before the CPA handed Iraq over to the Iraqis to fool the insurgency or Sen. McCain enjoying the safety and freedom that is Iraq 4+ years after our invasion... as long as he's escorted by a company of 82nd Airborne.

You know, I've been against this fiasco from the beginning, but Jesus f-ing Christ, at some point shouldn't the hawks have the balls to admit that things in Iraq have gone to s*** since, say, mid-2003? Why the f*** are we four years into this thing and talking about new tactics/strategies for "victory"?

To quote numerous people over the centuries, don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.
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You're just a little upset that the "media isn't giving you the whole picture." ;)

As for new tactics/strategies; throwing 21,000+ more soldiers into the fight (a "surge") isn't really new, it's still staying the course.

(edited to add) Thank Bob the security is improving in Iraq otherwise this could have been much worse!

Market, bridge bombings kill dozens in Iraq

POSTED: 8:16 a.m. EDT, April 14, 2007

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Bombings in Karbala and the Baghdad area killed at least 56 people and wounded scores of others Saturday morning, police and medical officials said.

A car bomb blast in a crowded shopping area of central Karbala, a holy Shiite city about 70 miles southwest of Baghdad, killed at least 43 people and wounded 55, according to an official at Hussein Hospital in Karbala.

The explosion went off near a bus station and just 200 yards from the Imam Hussein shrine. (Watch chaos as rescuers try to evacuate bomb victims )

Video of the scene broadcast on Iraqi television showed hundreds of people crowded around the bomb site as emergency workers placed victims in ambulances.

A short time later, a car bomb exploded on the Jadriya bridge, which spans the Tigris River in southern Baghdad, killing at least 10 people and wounding 15 others, Iraqi police said. It was not immediately clear how badly the bridge was damaged.

The Jadriya bridge attack came two days after a suicide car bomb detonated on the Sarafiya bridge, which crosses the Tigris in northern Baghdad, also killing 10 people. Two large sections of the bridge collapsed into the river.

Eleven major bridges cross the Tigris River in Baghdad.

In other violence Saturday morning, a roadside bomb blast that targeted a police patrol in Madaan killed two Iraqi police officers and one civilian. Madaan is about 12 miles southeast of Baghdad. Four police officers and four civilians were also hurt.

Also, gunmen attacked the home of a Sunni member of Iraq's parliament Saturday morning. Five guards were wounded in the half-hour battle at the western Baghdad residence of Adnan al-Dulaimi, the head of the Sunni political party known as the General Conference of People of Iraq.

Five other Iraqis were wounded in two separate roadside bomb explosions in Baghdad.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/14/iraq.main/index.html
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My eyes glaze over and I don't seem to hear anymore of the newscasts that involve suicide bombers and violence in Iraq. I usually watch NPR news from 7-8pm during the week, and when they have pictures of killed service people, I have to turn the channel.

What an ugly waste of human life ....

Charlie
 
Mephisto said:
Who is rejoicing? People are dying.
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Instead of being pissed about the innocent people who are killed and angry about the insult to democracy these attacks are, you seem to view every terrorist attack as an opportunity to advance your petty politics.
 
Azure said:
People are dying in Washington DC too.

Much be a good indication of the security in the US.
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Since you're analogizing crimes in D.C. with bombings in Iraq you agree that terrorism is a crime issue, not a war issue? Or are you trying to suggest a killing over a drug deal gone bad is the same as a suicide bomber blowing up a marketplace in Baghdad?

Next time someone blows up a Sack-n-Save in D.C. let me know and maybe your analogy will have some substance.
 
Pardalis said:
Instead of being pissed about the innocent people who are killed and angry about the insult to democracy these attacks are, you seem to view every terrorist attack as an opportunity to advance your petty politics.
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Speaking of advancing my petty politics how's that invasion of Iraq going?
 
Azure said:
People are dying in Washington DC too.

Much be a good indication of the security in the US.
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I didn't realize that John McCain, George W, Dick Cheney or numerous Republicans are telling us that security in D.C. is "improving. Are we fighting a war there? Are innocent people dying there because of IEDs? Have we lost over 3,500 soldiers there?

Not a very good argument on your part, is it?

(edited to add) Expressing amazement or concern over every single attack or the wanton loss of life in Iraq ISN'T gloating in defeatism, I'm only being incredulous that some people STILL buy the assertion that things are getting better in Iraq. Where is the proof for that notion? McCain said we're not getting the whole picture from Iraq, but I've yet to see proof from anyone that things are actually getting better in Iraq.
 
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We're not getting the whole picture

Maybe we should adjust our propaganda tactics?

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIDN'T DIE IN IRAQ THIS WEEKEND

Unfortunately dozens did.

Dozens dead, wounded in bombings across Iraq

POSTED: 9:56 a.m. EDT, April 15, 2007

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A string of car bombs and suicide attacks across Iraq on Sunday killed and wounded dozens in what has been a bloody weekend for the war-ravaged nation.

. . . Also Sunday morning, two car bombs exploded within minutes of each other in a shopping and dining area of southwest Baghdad, killing at least 18 people and wounding another 52 people, according to Baghdad police.

The first bomb hit a popular restaurant at about 10 a.m., while a second one exploded 10 minutes later and 100 yards away in an outdoor market in al-Shurta al-Rabeia district, police said.

Later, in northwestern Baghdad, a suicide bomber detonated an explosive vest on a small bus, killing six people and wounding 11, Baghdad police said. The bus was traveling between the predominantly Shiite neighborhoods of Autaifiya and Kadhimiya.

In central Baghdad's Karrada district, a minibus packed with explosives blew up on a commercial road, killing four people and wounding eight others, a Baghdad police official said.

In the northern city of Mosul, four people were killed and 16 others were wounded Sunday when two suicide car bombs exploded in quick succession at an Iraqi army base, police said.

Two Iraqi soldiers were among the dead, a police official said.

On Saturday, Baghdad police also reported finding 14 bullet-riddled bodies around the Iraqi capital.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/15/iraq.main/index.html
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Things ARE looking better in Iraq though - just ask Dick Cheney. :(
 
I saw Tony Zinni on "Meet the Press" this morning, and he pointed out that if we just walk away, we're leaving a hell of a mess in the middle of what is currently the most strategically important area of the world for the US. Man's got a point. The problem isn't that we're not getting out, it's that we keep doing these half-measures. Meanwhile our Army and Marine Corps are dying by inches.

Zinni said,
Tony Zinni said:
What has disappointed me is there hasn’t been this debate on the strategy, on the policy, a regional strategy on policy, let alone an Iraq policy. We’re, we’re debating the tactics. The, the surge is a tactic. In what context is the surge? You can make an argument for a surge if you were going to withdraw, to cover the withdrawal, for example, or to contain, to reposition forces or to re-engage in a different way or a stronger way. And why we got caught up in the tactical debate, in my mind, is an indication that we don’t understand what we want to do. What should our Middle East policy be? What should our policy be in terms of Iraq and, and the war against the extremists out there or the conflict against extremists? We seem to be strategically adrift, in my view.
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Now, keep in mind, this man is a former General. What he's saying is that they have no strategy. They're just doing the same thing over and over and hoping it will work this time.

But the answer isn't to leave. We've made a hell of a mess. If we don't clean it up, we're going to have trouble there for the next two decades at minimum; it could last two centuries, for that matter. The answer is to do something different. Something that will fix things, not just more of the same. And to do that, you need a political solution; which is something we've found elusive. It's going to take thought, and it's going to take admitting that a mistake was made and something different needs to be done. I just don't see this President as capable of that. What we have to hope is that he doesn't fritter away our entire military response capability before we can get someone who has a clue what they're doing in there.
 
Pardalis said:
Instead of being pissed about the innocent people who are killed and angry about the insult to democracy these attacks are, you seem to view every terrorist attack as an opportunity to advance your petty politics.
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Azure said:
People are dying in Washington DC too.

Much be a good indication of the security in the US.
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Or, to paraphrase:

Nobody Worth Listening To said:
Just because our people lied through their teeth when we wanted to invade Iraq and have continued lying since about Gitmo and the real situation in Iraq, don't think for a second that we're going to allow you to taint our Elephantine Vision of the world by posting facts about the level of horror our cock-up is causing. You will not be allowed to advance your politics on the back of horrific mistakes made by us.
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Mephisto said:
Speaking of advancing my petty politics how's that invasion of Iraq going?
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Apparently, regardless of the initial motives for the war, the soldiers over there are right now doing their best to help the Iraqis regain control of their country and to avoid a generalized civil war, and to keep Iraq out of the hands of the terrorists from Al Qaeda.

Do you have anything constructive to suggest we should do in Iraq, or are you going to keep whining yourself silly?
 
Pardalis said:
Apparently, regardless of the initial motives for the war, the soldiers over there are right now doing their best to help the Iraqis regain control of their country and to avoid a generalized civil war, and to keep Iraq out of the hands of the terrorists from Al Qaeda.

Do you have anything constructive to suggest we should do in Iraq, or are you going to keep whining yourself silly?
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I know the question is asked of Mephisto, but I'm actually interested, so I'll ask you.

What does "your team", for want of better description, prescribe for Iraq?

Yes, the soldiers are there. Yes, they're failing - still.

Other than "more of the same": more bodybags, more Iraqi orphans and widows, more rhetoric, more money for armament companies, what action do you suggest is the sensible one from here on in?

How many more coalition lives is the whole exercise worth? 5000? 10,000? 100,000?
 
Pardalis said:
How many Allied lives was the war against fascism worth?
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Answering a question with a question is a good way of covering up your lack of a position to back. Doubled when the question is a fairly stupid one.

Is there some new Village Idiots' Manual doing the rounds at the moment? Is naming WWII the "War on Fascism" some kind of attempt to legitimise the "War on Terror"?

Hint: while the Axis of the time of WWII were indeed Fascist, the war wasn't a war on fascism, it was a war on Germany, Italy, and their European allies and ultimately, Japan as well. If you wish to display wilful ignorance, please do it where people might be entertained by it.

Your question is ignorant beyond belief, and I'm quite sure you know that. At the time of the invasion of Iraq, Iraq was not at war with anyone, far less close and treatied allies as was the case in Poland, when WWII started.

Feel free to ignore the comment about the cost though, but at least give us the strategy you'd choose to use, given that at the moment your personal strategy appears to be conducting inferior attacks on people who are suggesting that the time to stop this murderous farce is already behind us.
 
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