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So is this possible

Norman Alexander said:
So what data will you accept that could change your mind?
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The original question. It's actually one that Randi used relatively often.

JayUtah said:
To a certain extent, that implies data produced the current mindset.
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Of course.

Lothian said:
That is not how this works and why there is a stalemate.

To convince the skeptics here that he is right The Traveller needs to provide reliable data, solid evidence and facts that support his argument
Similarly if the skeptics are to convince The Traveller they need to put up a video by a swivel-eyed loon ranting about God, conspiracies, foreigners while making baseless and ludicrous claims.
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Well, that's as maybe.

The question REALLY is to determine if our OT can accept any data at all from any source that will make him reconsider. He either has to say NO, in which case he is only here preaching and we are wasting our time, or YES, in which case we would need an outline of what data source he actually does find credible enough to accept an alternate theory to the one on which he is stuck.

It's a test of his ability and willingness to accept and weigh new evidence, not ours to convince him of our POV. So far he is failing completely.
 
The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."
The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."

The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.

As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"

The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."

The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."

The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ′′You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?"

The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"

The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
It's not about intelligence, though. Plenty of intelligent people believe the most ridiculous things. Rather, it is about critical thinking skills.
These need to be taught in school, and again at college/university, and promotion on TV and in the media wouldn't hurt either.
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The Texas Republican Party has officially opposed the teaching of critical thinking in schools because it involves "challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."
 
Matthew Best said:
The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."
The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."

The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.

As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"

The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."

The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."

The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ′′You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?"

The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"

The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
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And yet. And yet. Fanatics are known to change their minds*. Something must work. I don't know what it is but the answer would be very interesting and useful for civilization.

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* In evidence John Newton author ofAmazing GraceWP.
 
The Traveler said:
And as it turned out they were correct. Even managed to find the real certificates that were photo copied to make up the fake certificate.
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Even if true, still doesn't get Trump into the WH. You could find rock solid evidence that 81 million votes were faked and Trump would still not be President. There is no constitutional path for that to happen.

Everything you are doing leads to President Harris or President Pelosi.
 
Armitage72 said:
The Texas Republican Party has officially opposed the teaching of critical thinking in schools because it involves "challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."
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Trevor Noah's book, Born A Crime talks about the South African educational system, which for black South Africans, amounted to nothing more than rote memorization. High school kids would be chanting "two times two is four - two times three is six...".

The whole purpose of this was to educate these kids with the bare minimum of knowledge to make them useful surfs to the ruling class whites. I think the goal in Texas is quite similar. The rich elites the modern Republican party is fronting for will be much better off with a population that isn't equipped to evaluate what's being done to them by their government. They'll be much more easily manipulated into blaming anyone but those actually responsible for their declining standard of living. All the elites had to do was marry religious fanaticism to a political brand and they could create an army of drones who think what they're told to think, and actually react with hostility to the notion of educating themselves.
 
Matthew Best said:
The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."
The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."

The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.

As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"

The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."

The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."

The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ′′You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?"

The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"

The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
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This is coming from one who is slowly becoming an outsider in his own country but does not grasp his situation yet.

So how is your Queen doing protecting her " Empire"
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
And yet. And yet. Fanatics are known to change their minds*. Something must work. I don't know what it is but the answer would be very interesting and useful for civilization.

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* In evidence John Newton author ofAmazing GraceWP.
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In reality what you mean is that anyone that does not buy into your presented delusion has to be a fanatic of the negative kind. Thing is you lot are a bit short on credible facts yourselves. Worse than that, you have lost any form of trust from the general population altogether.
 
Leftus said:
Even if true, still doesn't get Trump into the WH. You could find rock solid evidence that 81 million votes were faked and Trump would still not be President. There is no constitutional path for that to happen.

Everything you are doing leads to President Harris or President Pelosi.
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Not if they are all sitting in the slammer.
 
Lothian said:
Thus thread is about your lack of knowledge and bizarre fantasies about the US presidency. You have another thread about your lack of knowledge and bizarre fantasies about the end of the world.
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And I take it , it is your mission in life to wreck it.

Do you think peer pressure has any effect on fanatics like me ?
 
The Traveler said:
Not if they are all sitting in the slammer.
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according to Trump, Flynn, Guilianni and many others, Clinton, Obama, Comey, Hunter and oh so many others should have been in jail or executed by now.
How many have even been criminally investigated?
none.

Now, on the Trump side, many, many associates are now in prison, are being sued and/or are indicted.

Reality is not on your side.
 
It's possible we're seeing a preview of what to expect once Texas has enacted its next educational policy, based largely on Henry Slesar's 1958 short story Examination Day.
 
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