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So is this possible

Face it, this entire story of voter fraud was born in Trump's mind because he couldn't bear to accept he just lost the election because he was such a bad President that voter turnout increased just so people would vote him out.

Hell, he was priming the pump months before the election. He, or some of his hangers-on, were aware that it would look pathetic and weak, even to his cult followers, if he didn't mention it until after the election. But by planting the idea of a stolen election ahead of time, Trump's loss looks like a prophecy to the True Believers. And if he'd won a second term, he could forget about it. Although it's easy to imagine him winning the election and then claiming that he actually got millions of votes more - such is his pathological insecurity.
 
You want to make it clear that there is no legal way to reinstate Trump now that Biden has been sworn in. Who are you trying to fool, me or yourselves. When Trump was in office the Dems went all out to try and remove him, Two impeachments, all they lacked was a real crime to accuse him of so they made one up but even that did not stand up to scrutiny.

So perhaps if you were to go through the following points, you might learn why you are wrong

A. Trump was impeached... twice;

1st time: For corruptly attempting to extort the leader of an allied country into making up pernicious lies about a political adversary.

2nd time: For inciting the January 6th riots at the Capitol.
Had it not been for spinelessness of those gutless wonders that comprise the majority of the Republicans in the Senate, he would not have been impeached a second time, because he would have been removed the first time.

B. Even if he had been removed, that did not mean that the previous president would have been reinstated. Mike Pence would have become president, not a reinstated Barack Obama!

C. Even in the theoretical case of Trump having been impeached earlier than either of these two times, for fraud and corruption related to the 2016 Election, that election would not have been overturned. Again, Mike Pence would have become president.

There... I hope you got all that. As Samuel Johnson once said... "I have found you an argument; but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
 
Hell, he was priming the pump months before the election. He, or some of his hangers-on, were aware that it would look pathetic and weak, even to his cult followers, if he didn't mention it until after the election. But by planting the idea of a stolen election ahead of time, Trump's loss looks like a prophecy to the True Believers. And if he'd won a second term, he could forget about it. Although it's easy to imagine him winning the election and then claiming that he actually got millions of votes more - such is his pathological insecurity.

Which is exactly what happened, and what he did in 2016.
 
How many of you think Trump will be reinstated before the end of this month.

Groucho Marx has a better chance of being declared president than Trump has of being reinstated. Certainly his approval rating would be more positive, though it's not clear that he'd want to be president of a country that would vote for him.
 
Would it? I'm not aware of a mechanism that can invalidate an election, as I said earlier. I think impeachment would be the most likely scenario.


I left out a step or two, and impeachment would have been involved in the real world, but the point is that they seemed to think that the end result would have been John McCain becoming President. They had no idea how the government actually works.
 
Well I notice how quick you all are to rip me a new one but in reality you are very hypocritical .

You want to make it clear that there is no legal way to reinstate Trump now that Biden has been sworn in. Who are you trying to fool, me or yourselves. When Trump was in office the Dems went all out to try and remove him, Two impeachments, all they lacked was a real crime to accuse him of so they made one up but even that did not stand up to scrutiny.

Biden can be removed the same way but in his case there is a real crime that has been committed. The Audits are the proof. And in the mid terms there will not be the fixing of the ballots as there was before so the Dems are going out. And as the Rineos have mostly all been identified already, they will not be returning either.

Pinos Patriots in Name only will never win, because of the obvious Racism and Hate they endorse they will be Rejected by the Majority of the American Population.
The real Question he is why would anyone vote to Support racism hate and Idiot Laws Of Physics defying Conspiracy theories from known Liars,
Who Violated the Civil Rights People were given by the Constitution of the United States?
 
It reminds me of the people after the 2008 election who seemed to believe that if President Obama were shown to not be a US citizen, then the election would be reversed and John McCain would become President, as opposed to what would actually happen - Joe Biden becoming President.

Actually, it's far from clear that that would have happened if Obama had refused to step down in such a scenario - arguably, it's the inauguration that makes you President. And flaws in the process until then might not be able to nullify the swearing-in.
And even a Supreme court decision might not be able to undo everything Obama-the-Kenian would have done up to that point.
 
Actually, it's far from clear that that would have happened if Obama had refused to step down in such a scenario - arguably, it's the inauguration that makes you President. And flaws in the process until then might not be able to nullify the swearing-in.
And even a Supreme court decision might not be able to undo everything Obama-the-Kenian would have done up to that point.

It was never even really a Question as I told everyone back then Obama was Vetted before the Election by the Proper Officials in Hawaii, Birtherism was just a Racist insane Laws of Physics defying Conspiracy theory.
FOUR Racist were Responsible for Birtherism.
 
Actually, it's far from clear that that would have happened if Obama had refused to step down in such a scenario - arguably, it's the inauguration that makes you President. And flaws in the process until then might not be able to nullify the swearing-in.

Arguably. IANAL, but I'm part owner of the bar nearest our university's law school and I get to talk to lawyers, law students, and law professors all the time about such things. The oath of office must be taken before the President can exercise any powers of the office, but he becomes President on noon of the appropriate day, at the expiration of his predecessor's term. Taking the oath of office is the only legal aspect of the inauguration, and the reason why it's done just before noon. The rest is just a celebration. Technically Joe Biden had to wait a few minutes after taking the oath, until noon, to actually be able to exercise the power. You can't have two Presidents at the same time, but you can have two people who have taken the oath of office. Conversely, Lyndon B. Johnson became President the instant John F. Kennedy died, but he could not exercise any powers of the office until sworn in. I'd have to concede that's a distinction without much difference.

The Congress having certified the vote of the Electoral College is the point beyond which the identity of the President-electis no longer in question. At that point, the President-elect is the only person for whom taking the oath of office would have any legally cognizable meaning. The purpose of the vote certification is to raise and resolve any questions in the vote before it becomes legally binding. Due process having been satisfied, further questions are then moot. And it is unclear that this particular action of the Congress would be reviewable by any court.

If it is discovered later that the President is or was ineligible to the office, then I believe the only means to remove him is by impeachment. I can't imagine that removal would be automatic, because evidence of his ineligibility would be subject to trial. And aside from the President's death or incapacity, the only power by which a President of sound mind and body can be removed from office is by impeachment and removal by the Congress. No court can do so. I imagine that a court can issue a declaratory judgment that the President is ineligible, but it would still require someone with the power to remove the President to act upon it.

And then, as has been copiously described, the Vice-President becomes President. The claims of any losing candidate in a prior election are extinguished when the Electoral College vote is certified.
 
And aside from the President's death or incapacity, the only power by which a President of sound mind and body can be removed from office is by impeachment and removal by the Congress.
Now I'm wondering if the President can remove himself. If he calls a press conference and announces that he's stepping down, and then walks out the front door of the White House and never looks back, is he no longer President? Or does Congress have to certify his abdication?

Or does that fall under "incapacity"? De facto, at least?

It seems like it could be addressed by the 25th Amendment on a technicality. The Cabinet writes to Congress that the President is unable to act as such. This claim takes effect unless the President offers a written rebuttal. If the President could write a rebuttal, but chooses not to, then it seems to me that he's removed by the letter of the 25th Amendment.
 
Now I'm wondering if the President can remove himself. If he calls a press conference and announces that he's stepping down, and then walks out the front door of the White House and never looks back, is he no longer President? Or does Congress have to certify his abdication?

Richard Nixon resigned without incident. He announced the effective time and date of his resignation, and Gerald Ford became President at that incident. Congress doesn't have to approve resignations. The premise is removing the President against his will.
 
And then, as has been copiously described, the Vice-President becomes President. The claims of any losing candidate in a prior election are extinguished when the Electoral College vote is certified.

Of course, since the VP was elected on the same ticket, which got more electoral votes.
 
Richard Nixon resigned without incident. He announced the effective time and date of his resignation, and Gerald Ford became President at that incident. Congress doesn't have to approve resignations. The premise is removing the President against his will.

Thanks! I had completely forgotten about Nixon's resignation.
 
Richard Nixon resigned without incident. He announced the effective time and date of his resignation, and Gerald Ford became President at that incident. Congress doesn't have to approve resignations. The premise is removing the President against his will.

Wasn't there also a signed resignation?

If some president gets mad makes statements about resigning or walks off. Would that trigger succession to occur? Who would decide?
 
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Wasn't there also a signed resignation?

If some president gets mad makes statements about resigning or walks off. Would that trigger succession to occur? Who would decide?
Yes, the President's resignation must be in writing to the Secretary of State in order to have effect.
 
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